Bigots of a feather ....
Posted by: More from Helena
Date posted: Fri Nov 13 14:10:08 2009
Message:
Source: TMZ
Prejean Sex Tape Triggers Settlement
Posted Nov 4th 2009 5:00PM by TMZ Staff
Carrie Prejean demanded more than a million dollars during her settlement negotiations with Miss California USA Pageant officials -- that is, until the lawyer for the Pageant showed Carrie an XXX home video of her handiwork.
The video the lawyer showed Carrie is extremely graphic and has never been released publicly. We know that, because TMZ obtained the video months ago but decided not to post it because it was so racy. Let's just say, Carrie has a promising solo career.
We're told it took about 15 seconds for Carrie to jettison her demand and essentially walk away with nothing. As we first reported, the Pageant is paying around $100,000 to her lawyers and publicist -- a fraction of her bills. She pockets nothing in the settlement.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/04/carrie-prejean-sex-tape-s... /
It seems to me this little witch wants money any way she can get it unless truth is involved.
a. she makes an unpopular comment at the pagaent and doesn't win
b. she then complains publicly that her comment is why she didn't win
c. Trump feels compelled to defend her
d. she decides to repay him by not showing up for required and contracted work
e. she is fired
f. she looks for more sympathy by again crying victim
g. she decided to sue Trump and the USA pagaent
h. her past catches up with her and sex tapes are revealed
i. she settles and takes not a penny
j. she writes a book (with help) about her victimhood and goes on all the shows to push it so she can make money with it
k. the shows take her on as a guest and proceed to ask her pertinant questions abou ther book, her experiences and the sex tapes
l. Prejean is now a victim yet again because she is being asked newsworthy questions
It appears to me that this bitch has done everything she could to be in the public eye, from pagaent to law suit to book. Somebody must have spoiled this clueless young woman rotten for her to behave so deplurably. She obviously thinks she's above the scrutiny the rest of us would undergo in the same circumstances.
Somneone needs to tell her that perhaps the universe is telling her something. Get out of the public eye before you do any more damage to yourself. Go home to the parents who misinformed you about your importance and lick your wounds.
Replies: (list all replies)
That little tape was the reason she got so weird on Larry King. He didn't mention it, but wanted to the reason she settled. She couldn't/wouldn't go there and she got pissed off. She's a big baby and a whore. hehehe eom Elliott
That video sealed the deal with me. Larry asked her the only thing we care about in theleast about her. Why'd she settle her big bad law suit? She doesn't want to admit she's a little exhibitionist who likes to materbate nude on video then lie about when she did it which was not a year ago. She's unbelievable. Helena
Helena: I'm no defender of CP's, but she DID say that she wasn't allowed to discuss it. That isn't uncommon w/settlements, that there is a gag order to go along w/the settlement. If she blabs, then she loses the $$ in the settlement & a bunch of stuff would be made public about herself & the 'deal'. She could also get sued, again. It was unfortunate that she did that after taking the mic off. There was a graceful way of saying that, that would have been firm & final. It would have stopped him. Instead, she wanted to come off as, yet someone else's victim. eom
She was audacious insulting Larry like that when she is a mere inexperienced 21 year old. She is so out of her element. BTW, all that came out of settlement was a mere $100,000 to pay onlt a small part of her huge legal fees. She's a loser on many levels. Helena
Hey Rosebud after all these years on the board why don't you ever sign so people don't have to click in to see who is responding? It's a nuisance especially when some computers run slow. That's not your fault but as a courtesy could you sign where everyone else does? Thank you. eom/ME
She's been asked many times but just ignores the request. It's not like it's a bother since she's typing her message in the same line anyway. All she has to do is add her name. So many times she's been asked but it's as if it's another thing she LIKES to annoy with. eom/Forever
It really would be nice if you put your name at the end of your replies, Rosebud. It is annoying to have to look to see who is commenting. eom Elliott
Posted by: Helena
Date posted: Fri Nov 13 10:10:48 2009
Message:
This is a self righteous little twit who has a lot to learn in life about how far phony hypocrites can go. Not very far. I don't know who her manager is but they're doing her a huge disservice if they are encouraging her in any. She sure may be getting attention but she'll never get respect.
Why? She has accumulated from the age of 17 to 20, a cottage industry of her own making featuring a multitude of sex videos featuring her nude and in some even masterbating. She is now only 21.
So about six months ago when she made her infamous comment abou how "in her America" marriage is for a man and a woman, her being a good Christian and all, yet she was fresh off some masterbation video she just made.
She has some nerve calling herself "Palinized" like she's some innocent victim. Her future is in right wing porn and that's about it.
What a joke.
Replies: (list all replies)
It kills me that she goes on and on and on about gay marriage and she is in demand as conservative Christian speaker, yet here she is trying to keep a graphic sex tape under wraps. I'm really tired of these hypocrites who claim to be Christian. Chewbacca
''I'm really tired of these hypocrites who claim to be Christian.'' You and me both, sister. Helena
Posted by: Thalia
Date posted: Thu Nov 12 17:03:21 2009
Message:
There were clips of her trying to get the mic off (slowly, very slowly)and going nowhere on The Morning Meeting this morning, and all I could wonder is why is she getting air time? Yes she is allowed to have her say to plug her book, but frankly since I did not tune in to see her on LK, or on any of her other appearances, why was she in my face as a news item? These professional whinners just turn me off, and frankly I think the woman is a little classless.... it is one thing to get $$ for boobs so you can win a contest, but to place yourself in a position where they become a late night show joke, an easy joke at that. I guess what I am saying is that any contest that requires self-mutilation to win is really degrading to women, but that seems to have escaped the media's attention. The sex tape is the scandal.
Speaking of faces not boobs, I turned my eyes away whenever they were about to show the poor woman who had her face ripped off by the chimp and managed to miss seeing it until I checked the Yahoo site for news... and there she was. That is a horrible, horrible thing to have happen to you. I really did not need to see it, and I have to wonder just why anybody had to show it, especially without some sort of warning.
I guess what I am seeing is that the media's need to shock and titilate is the problem, and the Jons, the Kates and the Carries are just symptoms of corporate willingness to air just about anything to get our attention ... to the point of absurdity and beyond.
Posted by: Elliott
Date posted: Thu Nov 12 10:10:32 2009
Message:
OMG... her Larry King appearance was just unbelievable.
How anyone (Logan) can take her seriously is just, well, also unbelievable. She. Is. A. Joke.
Replies: (list all replies)
Palin/Prejean in 2012! LOL eom Elliott
It wouldn't surprise me if they ran with the full backing of the current conservative party, but they will have to beat a Limbaugh/Beck ticket first. Helena
Boobs will be the deciding factor. Limbaugh/Beck only have man boobs. Palin and Prejean have the real deal... well, Palin's are probably real. We know Carrie's aren't, but who cares? They're spectacular!!! LOL eom Elliott
You're not the only gay man I know who loves t!ts. LOL. Helena
Posted by: fawny
Date posted: Thu Nov 12 7:46:45 2009
Message:
Her Larry King interview was priceless and really showed her true self! So now she has been rude to the two oldest journalist in the world! Notice she took off her microphone but she wasn't so offended to leave the set, because she loves the camera on her! She kept telling Larry he was inappropriate but managed to stay after the commercial. I do not understand why people are even interviewing her. Her not winning then whining about it instead of accepting the fact that she lost with dignity has been the best thing that ever happened to her! Then losing the Miss California title because of the nude photos is nothing new. It happened to Vanessa Williams and instead of whining about it she turned it into the best thing that ever happened to her.
Replies: (list all replies)
The biggest difference between Vanessa Williams & Prejean (sp) is that Miss Williams always had dignity & substance. She was always much more than a pageant winner/loser. She had goals for herself & was willing to do what was necessary to make them happen. This ditz doesn't have anything going for her, besides the most superficial. Dignity & self-respect aren't part of Ms Prejean's existance. She hasn't GOT any talent, other than looking at herself in the monitor. Vanessa Williams WORKED to overcome her challenges. Whatever was taken away from her, what can't be taken are that she was the first black woman to win a major, mainstream beauty pageant & that she is a strong woman. At least Ms Williams was still a great role model. I don't see that in Ms Prejean's future, at all. She was interested in her 15 minutes & not much more. eom
ITA. It was a comparision of how differently they handled it. Vanessa Williams definatley handled it the right way, -Fawny-
Yes, but Vanessa Williams actually had talent. Let's not forget, she was in the Miss America pageant not the Miss (Donald Trump) USA pageant, like Prejean. There's a talent portion in Miss America, and as I recall, Williams won that part. I seriously doubt Carrie Prejean will ever headline Broadway musicals, win a Grammy, be nominated for an Emmy, or has the ability to learn and deliver rapid-fire dialogue to create a character like Wilhelmina Slater. Prejean just seems too dense.
Donald Trump didn't create the Miss USA pageant. He simply bought controlling interest in it. eom
Posted by: Andy Warhol
Date posted: Wed Nov 11 16:09:10 2009
Message:
Her 15 minutes was up 45 minutes ago.
Posted by: Smacks
Date posted: Wed Nov 11 13:41:47 2009
Message:
In response to Logan--
She was hardly under a "witch hunt". Was Perez Hilton a jerk in his reaction to her? Yes. Was she entitled to say marriage is between a man and a woman? Yes. The fact of the matter is, even in America, there are advantages and disadvantages to saying what you think. Playing the pageant game by giving PC answers and/or speaking around your beliefs w/o really saying them often result in an advantage for pageant winners. Saying an unpopular belief often results in a loss. Kudos to her for saying what she thought. But I don't think she was the conservative poster-child when entered the pageant. But now, all of a sudden, she is. Hogwash! She's not a product of a "witch hunt". No one really cared to begin with. To spin it as such is plain wrong. Face facts, she wants to get some fame. She wrote a book. She tapped into the conservative movement. People talk about her name.
Replies: (list all replies)
She isn't? Please the press has dug into her past as much as they possibly can to find something to discredit her with. I guess they think they found it. Pathetic commentary on our society. And winning isn't everything. -Logan
Logan: The 'media' didn't have to 'dig' very far to reach paydirt here. Her ex-boyfriend (some FRIEND) came running to them, being more than willing to sell out both himself & this brainless twit. I don't buy for a minute that this chick thinks that the tape was 'the biggest mistake' of her life, getting caught & having it going public, yes. Emphasis on getting caught. Also, notice she couldn't be bothered to show up for mundane things like ribbon cuttings or meetings w/organizers, but she shows up on time, dressed to the 9's, if it means going in front of a camera to whine about being everyone's victim. eom
Logan you are so out of touch on this subject. I don't know what crawled up your butt that made this such a hot issue but maybe you'd be wise to deal with why you're so angry rather than go to bat for this publicity seeking person. You have real issues!! eom/
The pathetic commentary on our society is that this is entertainment today..Having grown up with the likes of Rogers & Hammerstein Audrey Hepburn Alfred Hitchcock I'm glad I am old enough to have seen real talent instead of the likes of her If she had one ounce of brain matter she should have stuck with the usual, ''I want peace for the world'' //Serialmom
Serialmom: You can still see that real talent by checking out old movies on DVD at the library, buying them for your home library & getting their biographies. There were down sides to the way the media dealt w/stars back then too--looking the other way when serious problems were obvious. Constantly going along w/the studios' media machine(s) & only doing fluff pieces about celebrities, for the most part. eom
RB1 how do you know what events she did or not go to? You're going by what the pagent said. And they went after as soon as she gave the wrong answer on that show. Like I said a witch hunt. There are a lot of other beauty queens who have done a lot worse that CP. Again a witch hunt. It really is pathetic. - Logan
Logan after the pageant the first reports were that she missed or refused to go to events. If you've been following you'd know this like the rest of us do. Once that happened, and she brought it upon herself, THEN the press went to town. Like anything else responsibilities came with that title but all she wanted was the publicity. Now that it's not being kind to her she's up in arms? Sad that you agree with her and aren't aware of the sequence as everyone else in this thread seems to be. Notice no one agrees with you? They aren't trying to be mean - there's nothing right about what she did to cause this all. eom/Hanna
Logan: I didn't say what specific events she went to & didn't. I'm going by what has been said in legal papers that are public & what was said by the members of the pageant committee. They didn't necessarily get specific about what events, but I'm sure the judge & attorneys were made aware of what obligations she failed to perform. If she was such a 'victim' then why DID she settle & agree to a gag order?! Notice, she is living up THAT obligation--because she is painfully aware of the alternative if she doesn't. eom
Legal docuements? LMAO I guess you saw those while you were reading all the actor's contracts too. LOL. What you know is what the committe claimed. I don't this girl,but from what I can see she has been attacked every which way simply because what she said went against the grain of the liberal driven media. They dug and dug and threw money at her ex-BF and for some dirt on her. Wow she made a sex tape with her boyfriend? Who freaking care? She never said she was perfect and none of us are. She simply asked a question asked of her honestly. And now she is being punished for it. - Logan
Logan, she made many tapes and mailed them her boyfriend. She made them before and right up to the pagaent lying to the committee because we all know that prior nudity in any medium is a instant disqualification. Not only that, she claims she did the tapes when she was 17, which is illegal. The making or possession of underaged sexual material is a federal offense. And how can you say, ''So what?'', about a seventeen year old girl making sex tapes for her boyfriend? She was underaged when she began doing this and continued according to the BF up until last year. Then she lied about it. Not only that she tried to sue Miss USA until the tapes came to the surface. Why should she win a law suit when she shouldn't have even been a contestant? Now she's angry with the press again for telling the news. If she doesn't like it, she needs to get the hell out of it. Meaning the spotlight that she demands to have any way she can get it. I think she's a media whore. And all this has nothing to do with her anti gay rights comment. I think she has asked for everything she is getting aside from that. Helena
Helena this has been well documented. Tells you a lot about Logan that he would still be on the side of someone who knowingly committed a Federal Offense. I'm sure he thinks it's just the press on a witch hunt when she has omitted it all.It's sick yet he'll never back down. How could HE possibly be wrong?? Wonder if he champions pedophiles, too.
Helena you should know what you are talking about before you shoot your mouth off. What you are talking about is the child porn act. Carrie was 17 alledgally but she filmed herself and sent it to her boyfriend(I am sure at his urging). He is the one who distributed it and so he and the Miss America pagenant who aired it are the ones who could be held up on charges. I think it would be next to impossible to make a case against Carrie. And far as Larry King? He really needs to retire. She repeadetly told him she was not allowed to talk about the case and he kept asking her over and over. I think she should have kept her cool but he was the one in the wrong. Larry King has done this for years and she should know better. Again this has been an unrelenting attack against a 22 yr old woman who has done nothing but speak her mind when asked a direct question. Shame on those who have attacked her. - Logan
My GOD you are wearing blinders. This young woman's not going to get what she wants, and that's publicity. There are many intelligent people in this thread and not one is on a witch hunt. You are wrong in what you believe to be the facts. Have you read her book? If you had you'd know your facts are not the VERY facts Carrie has in her book. You are wrong wrong WRONG and the proof is Carrie's writing. Then again with your atrocious spelling and poor grammar I'm guessing reading isn't your strong suit. eom/Gigo
Uh actually my facts are based on the law. LOL your reaction is just what I am talking about. I seriously doubt Carrie is enjoying this barrage of attacks she is facing. Of course she is promoting her book. Why shouldn't she? What is wrong with that? The Pagent is the one who started this and went after her. They are the one who are constantly attacking her. I think it is funny Moakler is pointing fingers with her past? LOL. Again this woman spoke her mind and has every right do so . Some people are just treatned by a difference of opinion. - Logan
Come on, Logan, let's not get nasty. I've been nothing but polite to you yet you labeled my response as ''shooting off my mouth''. Not nice. In addition you're barking up the wrong tree when you accuse me of not knowing the facts. I do my research and it's clear you don't, but it seems you think being rude will intimidate posters into agreeing with you. Never going to happen. NOW. There are seven videos and thirty nude photos all of which she ''performed'' and photoed/videoed herself. That means she lied her ass off to the Miss USA pageant and shouldn't have even been a contestant. Secondly, underaged porn is a federal offense and it doesn't matter if she was making them for her boyfriend or for a stinger. ''Child pornography is any visual depiction, where ''(A) the producing of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor [under 18] engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and (B) such visual depiction is of such conduct.'' 18 U.S.C. § 2252 The law prohibits knowingly possessing or transmitting (including by computer) child pornography. If she wasn't seventeen like she said she was, then she is lying again, but the tapes wouldn't be a federal offense. A few things we know for sure and they are that she is a complete liar and not to be trusted. I don't even care anymore about her gay marriage comment and I don't think I'm alone. I'm appalled at her hypocrisy and extent of lies. Helena
Brava Helena. He'll never see the light but thanks for trying with the facts and truth. Sorry but he doesn't seem capable of either so it's up to us to stop. I'm done. eom/Giggi
oh please spare me the deflect Helena, no one was attacking you. And I am sorry but you need to go back and check your facts. If and I mean a big if there are videos of her it is the ones distributing it who would be in trouble. And that would be her boyfriend, and the pagent. It would be next to impossible to bring a case against her. Ask any lawyer if you don't believe me. That would be a stretch and half to get any kind of charges against her. Again it is the pagent going after her along with TMZ and anyone else who can make a buck off of this- Logan
Logan, there are seven videos and I don't care if she is charged or not. The FACT is she committed a crime along with posing and masterbating in and lied to the Miss USA pageant. All I care about is that the real Carrie has been exposed. The liar and the hypocritical so called Christian. I guess people like her and those who defend her are all hypocrites pointing the sin finger in every direction but at themselves. If it makes you feel better, Logan. Helena
What I do not understand is how people can defend Carrie's freedom of speech while at the same time lambasting other people who are simply exercising their freedom of speech by critcizing Carrie. Talk about hypocrisy. If you make a public statement, others are free to criticize you publicly for it. If certain people (e.g., Logan) don't like the freedom of speech, maybe they should consider moving to another country. China perhaps? eom Hattie
Hattie- No one is saying that people don't have a right to disagree with her. But there is a difference with that and trying to ruin someone's life. This pagent has gone after her ever which way possible. Now I hear at the next pagent they are going to have some actors doing a skit mocking her. Sorry but this pagent is the one keeping this going and they are the ones attacking her. - Logan
Posted by: Angela
Date posted: Wed Nov 11 8:23:37 2009
Message:
In my opinion...
I thought when she gave her answer about marriage..I thought she was mistreated. And thought when she gave her opinion she had the right to express her views. I thought Prez Hilton after the pagent said some nasty things and I thought he was wrong to say those things.
Then all these stories came out about her boob job, nude photo's, Donald Trump firing her, and going on all the talk shows..I was sick and tired of hearing about poor old me. Carrie Prejean..why don't you ever take responisiblty (sp) for your own actions and stop blaming everyone else for them..
I saw her on Today's Show and The View..I thought she acted very well on The Today's Show but I thought she was very rude on The View.
Posted by: Logan86121
Date posted: Wed Nov 11 0:55:31 2009
Message:
I am just beyond disgusted about how this woman has been attacked for doing nothing but speaking her mind. So what she had sex with her boyfriend and they taped it. What does this have to do with anything. She has been the victem of a witch hunt for months because she stood up for her beliefs and the beliefs of manys in this Country. That a marriage is meant to be between a man and a woman. That does not make her a bad person for feeling that way. Eough is enough with this crap.
Logan
Replies: (list all replies)
Based on her personal behavior, her beliefs are hypocritical.
In my opinion people did not attack her for what she said, she brought it on herself when she claimed she would have won if she had answered differently. She lost because the other girl was better for the duties.
That's bull. She was relieved because she didn't follow the rules. You know - showing UP for committed appointments. It's easy for her, and now YOU, to say otherwise but that's the reason. She brought it all on herself for being a hypocrit and being lazy once she got what she wanted, the title. eom/
I know it's painful for you to admit, Logan, but your pillar of virtue and voice for the supremely moral is nothing but a fame-seeking whore and stupid bimbo. If you had to have someone in the spotlight to support YOUR cause (denying some people equal rights) I'm SO glad it was this clown and I'm so glad she's going down in flames. Karma, baby. eom Elliott
Logan: You really think that every previous pageant winner has agreed w/what they've said about world peace & stuff?! No. But they knew what would get them the job & what it took to keep it. They also had the sense to keep their mouth shut about topics that were controversial, at least until they had established themselves as Barbie for the year. I also can't think of any previous winners who were so openly ungrateful for the opportunities available to them. eom
She was hardly under a
LOL This is too funny. Carrie went out and answer a question asked of her forthwrit and honest. And she has paid for it ever since. This has indeed been a witch hunt to discredit her. The liberal press has been after ever since that pagenent. All we have here is a video she made as a teen with her boyfriend having sex. I don't see her smoking crack or dealing drugs here. And they after anyone and everyone who knew her to dig up some dirt on her. So they threw some money at her ex-boyfriend to release the video, and he sold her out. What is exactly her crime? Please the pagent wanted her out from day one. She said something that isn't popular with the media and liberal and she paid for it. Good for her for not backing down. She has nothing to apologize for. She like the majority out there believes in perserving the sanctity of marriage Unfortantely this will be an example of what happens to people who speak up against gay marriage. - Logan.
We wouldn't even be having this discussion if she wasn't attractive. I sincerely doubt Logan would be sticking up so defensively for this big-mouthed twit if she were ugly. Chewbacca
Ever here the quote (I'm paraphrasing) I may not agree with what you have to say but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it? She can disagree with gay marriage all she wants as can you but most people, whether they agree or not, will still fight for the rights of others. She has the right to speak her mind and the world has the right to disagree with her taking the rights of others away by using her platform. I fight for her rights but she has NO regard for the rights of others. Shame on you both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!eom/ Kilo
Kilo what in the world are you talking about? Your not even making any sense. She simply answered a question that was asked of her. She did nothing wrong. And she didn't try to take away anyone's rights. Neither her or myself have the power to do so. - Logan
Logan you just don't get it. It's TIME that you learn to spell and put together a cohesive sentence. Your responses make little sense. If you didn't get Kilo's point there is NO HOPE! Half the time I can't understand your gibberish and the other half I find myself wondering why I try. eom/jol
How does getting a piece of paper from the county clerk's office to permit two citizens to form a civil contract ''preserve sanctity'' in anything? Does the county clerk now work for The Pope? I think it's harder to get a bicycle license in some jurisdictions than get married. With the bicycle, you might actually have to pass a test!! In any event, I don't think we should have a Miss USA who doesn't believe in equal protection under the law. That would seem downright unAmerican.
The fact Logan doesn't even get Kilo's post just pretty much says it all. It's nice to see some of you really, truly get it. And Logan, you really do need to proofread or spell check. eom Elliott
Logan. Not ''a'' tape, but many tapes that were made up until she was close to 21 and in them she not only posed nude but masterbated. She deserves whatever she gets. It's not even her anti gay rights comment that makes her a reprehensible slut, what I hate about her is that she's out peddling her new book on all kinds of shows expecting hosts not to ask her pertinant questions and when they do she acts the victim. She settled her law suit becasue she was found out and she won't talk about it. She's all up in arms and walking off sets, she was using to promote her ''poor me'' rag of a book, because her numerous masterbation and nudity videos made not more than a year ago have come to the surface. She's no victim. She's a lying slut with a pretty face. Helena
And fantastic boobs!!! LOL eom Elliott
Meh. They look hard as rocks to me. Most implants look so unnatural. Men don't seem to notice it as much. Heh. They just see two round globes. Helena
And then they're like deers caught in the headlights. hehehe Who cares what they're talking about. eom Elliott
Her first mistake after the gay mariage question was she said ''In my country'' What country is that????? //S'mom
The country she lives in. And again who cares if she made a sex tape? What in the world does it matter what she and her BF do? She is not hurting anyone. This whole thing is nothing but attempt do discredit her, Some people are just threatned by someone who stands up for what they believe in.- Logan
Logan that point is valid BUT it runs rampant everywhere. Who cared if Clinton had relations with Lewinski? Many. Who cares if a baseball player got his girlfriend pregnant? Many. It doesn't change who the President is or how well he (the ball player) plays ball but it does change, rightly so, how people view them. She claims purity and/or wholesomeness then trashes others who have done the same. Is her personal life with her BF off limits? Sure! Then again what IS it her business what same sex couples do behind closed doors? NONE of her BUSINESS. I may agree with her on certain points but I will never agree against basic human rights. That's her problem. How would she feel if the shoe were on the other foot. If she wasn't able to be with her partner she'd be screeching about that and so would you. Don't agree about same sex partners? Fine that's valid but who are you and Carrie to say who can and should be together? You have no basis in reality. Everyone has the right to be with whom they please whether you like it or not. eom/
The point is she made a tape for her boyfriend, she is not selling crack, beating her BF to a bloody pulp or torturing animals for sport and profit. All of which the media and America seems to have instantly forgiven the others for doing so. In this Country if you dare speak up against a media controlled movement you are punished. I don't know why they don't sew a A on this woman and stone her? She did nothing wrong. She never said she was perfect. She simpley asked a direct question put to her, I like her and most in this Country believe a marriage is between a man and a woman. If gays want to have a civil union then I would support that. I am not going to support passing a law that says there is nothing wrong or different with homosexuality when there is. It goes against every basical principal of humanity. Of right and wrong. It defiews the very laws of nature. And there is nothing wrong with believing it is wrong and saying so. Carrie never said anything bad about gays, She just support the sacrament of marriage. I do not believe a Priest shoule be arrested for not wanting to perform a marriage between gays. There is a compromise that could be met, but gays don't that. They want everyone to be forced into silence and forced to accept their beliefs. A group that makes up at best 3% of the population wants to shove the rest of the population into the closet. Now a days if you speak up and say I think Homosexulaity is a sin you are labled a bigot and under the same unbrella as the KKK or someone who has beaten or killed a gay person. It's ridicolous.- Logan
If being gay goes against every basic principle of nature then why did God create gay people since the beginning of time? Why so threatened by such a small part of the population who doesn't ''natually'' want to have sex with the opposite gender, but their own gender? God created people of all kinds, short, tall, fat, thin, nice, mean, smart, stupid, gay and straight. All were created by God if you believe in God so how on earth is the scant 3% who wants to get married a threat to the other 97%? Unless you think being gay or straight is a choice. If you do I will make no effort to debate this further, as I'm sure there is no arguing with you. But have you ever tried to understand what it must be like in this society to discover or come to terms with being gay? You think people choose to be ostracized all their lives and left out of social settings? You think anyone in their right mind would ''choose'' a life of difficulty over an easier one? You seem pretty smart sometimes, Logan, so I'm surprised to see you say such things. Helena
You're totally off the mark. An A (and yes it's AN not A) what does that have to do with it. Oh I know, you've never actually read The Scarlet Letter so have no idea what an idiotic statement that is. Helena addressed the facts above. You are so wrong and so out of your element that it's truly getting embarrassing. Guess those without knowledge, and I'm not just referring to this thread, can't realize they need to stop. Nothing you have posted is sane or factual...nothing. The more you post the more you misspell and misuse grammar cementing how uneducated you are. I'll end it since you aren't capable. Enough of your mindless drivel. eom/Giggi
Helena you are not born gay. It is not a gene or in your DNA. It is a concious choice you make with your mind which controles the action of the body. God did not make you gay, people chose to live their life that way. It is a behavior. And if someone chose that path for their life then that is their choice and they can take it up with God when the time comes. I am not threatned as I am fed up. Fed up with being forced to keep my mouth shut of face what Carrie is facing. This crap is what a lot of people are fed up with. There is nothing wrong with thinking homosexuality is wrong and a sin. And wanting to respect the sancity of marriage between a man and a woman. It dosen't mean you hate gays and it dosen't make you a bad person- Logan
Is that a promise Gigi? Good my lucky is changing for the better. - Logan
Helena you are not born gay. It is not a gene or in your DNA. It is a concious choice you make with your mind which controles the action of the body. God did not make you gay, people chose to live their life that way. It is a behavior. And if someone chose that path for their life then that is their choice and they can take it up with God when the time comes. I am not threatned as I am fed up. Fed up with being forced to keep my mouth shut of face what Carrie is facing. This crap is what a lot of people are fed up with. There is nothing wrong with thinking homosexuality is wrong and a sin. And wanting to respect the sancity of marriage between a man and a woman. It dosen't mean you hate gays and it dosen't make you a bad person. How can anyone take YOU serious???? God will indeed have the last say for idiots and illiterates alike. Hope you are as prepared as those YOU damn!!
No one could ever take me seriously? Hmm. I'm an illiterate idiot''? Thanks for my morning chuckle, Chuckles. Helena
Logan, where on earth do you see me damning anyone or committing them to hell and judgement as you do? I'm calling a spade a spade. Carrie Prejean is a liar. I don't believe in hell but here on earth for some. The only person damning people is you and you will meet your karma one day if you haven't already. Helena
Logan, have you ever met anyone who is gay? Worked with them? A family member? Part of me hopes not because I wouldn't want to be around someone as completely ignorant to the facts about homosexuality as you are. And you are. How you can say what you say is just beyond insulting and truly shows your dark heart and soul. If you are what God wants people to be like, God is one sick motherf*#*er. I'd say more, but what is the point? I hope your generation is gone soon. You have to be old (no offense to intelligent older people). eom Elliott
Elliott, it's all based on fear when you break it down. Can you imagine him spitting biblical venom at me like that for merely asking him to try and understand what it's like to be gay? Step away carefully. Helena
Fear and ignorance. I just don't get it. The quote: it's a CHOICE thing really pisses me off. I guess it's the only way Logan and other good Christians can justify their hate. It's SO not a choice. There was a story on a local news station's website today (I'm in the midwest, not a liberal place) about gay teens. These kids (just like me) knew when they were very young (me, by sixth grade for sure). That's when I made my choice??? When I was like 12 years old??? No, that's when I realized my male, 27 year old teacher was HOT. There is no choice. The only choice you can make is to deny it. Not be yourself, climb in a closet, get married to a woman and go have sex on the side in a public park. Gross, but absolutely true. Married closet cases is what Logan would prefer I guess. I've had this conversation with Logan so many times. It's just discouraging that people can be so truly out of touch with reality. eom Elliott
Elliott, I've had gay freinds since I was six. The boy down the streeet was gay and although I didn't know the meaning or the term for what I saw I understood it. and LOL, by sixth grade he was surrounded by giggling girls who he constantly made laugh. The prosletizing fundamentalists who condemn you to hell using their hating God as their enforcer do it to give them a false sense of justice and a falser sense of goodness. To say that being gay is a choice is pure ignorance, I don't give a rat's ass how scientifically hard it is to prove. Funny how fundimenatalists hate science unless it works in their favor. Helena
Did I live down the street from you because that story sounds really, really familiar. :) eom Elliott
Did you move away after 6th grade? I never saw this friend again. Helena
Elliott, I meant to also say my friend always asked to play the female part in our role playing games. I thought it was great and I didn't care because I was a tomboy. I guess I was meant to be a FH all my life. :) Helena
Wow I guess the above responses just proved my point. Yeah I theatned? Sorry it's the other way around. And what I said is based on fact, science and reality. If you are not making the choice then who is? Is some alien life force taking controle of your body and making you do these things. This is indeed a choice, it is a behavior and not a hair color or any other DNA pattern. Sorry but that is the hard cold reality of it. There are people who were gay and who are no longer gay. Again it is not something you are born with. God puts challenges in front of us to test or resolve and our faith. I am so sick of peole who excuse their behavior and there actions by saying it wasn't there choice. And I never said I damn anyone. Again I do not hate gays or condem them, The fact that some here have to actually lie because they are again so threatned by a difference of opinion only shows there insecurities. And I do have gay friends. Who I have defended in public, have employed and been employed for. I don't have to agree with their lifestyle to be friends with them, - Logan
My dog, Gunther, was gay. He was a very expensive German Shepard the breeder asked if he could use to sire puppies as he was unusually beautiful in markings, etc. Nothing the breeder did would convince Gunther to mate with the female and he tried several different times with different females and no go. But whenever I walked Gunther and we came across other male dogs he'd hop on their backs and go at it like there was no tomorrow. Do you suppose this was a choice on Gunther's part? Is God also judging him and the other 200 mammals on earth that display homosexual and bisexual behavior? There are literally over a thousand different species outside the mammel kingdon that also show homosexual and bisexual behavior. Helena
Logan, you are no friend to any gay person. You say you don’t hate or condemn, but you do, in everything you’ve expressed. Nothing, absolutely nothing you are saying is based in fact, science or reality. It’s quite the opposite. What you fail to acknowledge or understand is sexuality isn’t a choice one makes. Straight people don’t decide to be straight, or decide they’re going to have sex with the opposite sex because it’s the right thing to do. That’s absurd. They are who they are, and so are gay people. Gay people don’t decide to feel attracted to the same sex because it’s more fun or something, it’s what they feel and what they are. It’s been that way since the beginning of time. It’s actually natural. It’s part of nature. It’s in the animal world. It’s in the history of the world. But you don’t agree. That doesn’t change the facts and homosexuality is never going to go away. If you truly believe gay people can go to a camp and change their orientation, you are in deeper denial than I thought imaginable. It does not work. It’s no more possible than someone making you gay. I know you’ll never be able to understand or accept any of this, but your ignorance can’t go unchallenged. It’s hurtful, hateful and nothing but shameful. Honestly. eom Elliott
Now, about your spelling… I've been a proofreader for over 22 years, so I'm especially disturbed. If you want your argument to have extra merit (which you could use all the help you can get being it’s an uneducated, based-on-nothing one) you should at least make an effort to spell correctly and use proper grammar. Twice you spelled *threatened* = threatned. Why? Do you know the difference between *there* and *their?* It seems you don’t. Really, it’s just plain sloppy and lazy on your part. eom Elliott
The only thing those gay reversal camps accomplish is suppression and frustrated gay people posing as straight people lying to themselves, their spouses, families and friends. We all know sexual suppression is very dangerous and if God created everything on earth, then God created all the humans, mammals, fish, incects and more who display gay tendancies as well. It is the unevolved mind that can't accept anything out of the ordinary due to accute fear and lack of confidence in their own discernment. There's a theory that many debasers of the gay community, particularly men, are terrified of their own gay or bisexual thoughts. The gay movement has ruined it for those in fear of their own nature (as if mere thoughts mean you're gay) and those who don't want to have to come out because they're leading otherwise straight lives. Look at all the right wing politicians whose same sex activities have been exposed. I've always been told that those who point most vigerously and condemn loudest are the ones to be aware of because they're usually hiding or repressing something. Helena
I'm sure Logan thinks poor Larry Craig was just horrible misunderstood. :) eom Elliott
Tap, tap, tap. ;) Helena
PERVERT!!! LOL... eom Elliott
Eliott I am not even going to wast my breath argueing with you. You can believe whatever you want or whatever rationalization you've created. It's your life and you do have the right to chose how you want to live it. But you don't have the right tell everyone else how to feel about marriage being between a man and a woman. Helena, my dog tried to hump the vacume but I don't think he was actually attracted to it. Who knows? Lol. It's called being in heat and they will jump on anything. This arguement is pointless because you refuse to accept reality and can't accept it. You have to make your own peace with God in the end. Just like we all do. - Logan
Logan, I am at peace with God right now and BTW I am not gay so why would I have make peace with God in your mind, I defend gay rights? I doubt God will condemn me for my tolerance, something that Jesus taught? The Old Testiment needs to be updated. I thought that's what the New Testment was for. In the OT men could rape and beat their wife if she disobeyed him. In fact I think a man could invite the village to rape her. Need I say more about the OT? Helena
Logan, male dogs are always in heat so why didn't he want to rut the females and only the males? He also barked with a lisp. Just kidding. It is a scientific fact that 200 mammals have gay behavior so why wouldn't man? Helena
LOL @ barking with a lisp. :) Logan, you are simply the worst kind of Christian and the worst kind of person. Yes, you work it out with God later. For now, continue in the worst kind of knowledge... the knowledge of something that simply isn't true = everything you believe about gay people. It's truly sad. eom Elliott
A six year old made the decision to be gay? Seriously? That's what you're saying? I'd love to be a fly on the wall when you meet your maker, Logan, and he sets you straight, PUN thoroughly intended. Then again I won't be there because I can spell and have full use of the English language. That's another reason we won't meet - it's a crime what you do, or don't DO, with the language...murder. If ignorance is bliss you must be slap happy!eom/Lollo
LOL. This is almost funny. Look you have a right to believe what you want in life and make up what ever stories to justify your actions all you want. It's really not complicated and it is very clear what God's plan is for us as a species. Anything else is just a spin job and rationalization. I am the one who has to worry here, it is the ones who are continuously living there life in defiance of God. And knowing right from wrong is not judging. We are all sinner and that is why we have compassion and forgiveness for. And by the way a 6 yr old's brain is not even developed enough to even understand any of that level. So try a better excuse next time. - Logan
Really, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. People like you actually sort of scare me. Have you ever, ONCE, read any literature on the subject? No, not the Bible. Seriously, I just watched a documentary about parents of gays and lesbians. Even the most rural, hick farmer father in Montana comes realize when it's his son that this isn't a choice. I wish I could send you a copy. Even the republican Moron family figure it out. You really, sincerely need to educate yourself. Really. eom Elliott
I just checked and it's on Amazon. It's called Anyone and Everyone. It's $15.95. I'd give you the $20, Logan. eom Elliott
Elliott, there is no point. Logan is a fundamentalist not a mentalist. There is no reasoning because he won't let anything in. Helena
I know there is no point, but I can't help myself. When I see his kind of blatant ignorance being thrown out for all to read, well, I just can't sit back. Logan and I have had this exact same conversation on a few occasions. I'm just glad there are not many as blind and dumb to reality, like him. eom Elliott
LOL Oh man you two are still bickering at it? Eliott it is a choice! That is a fact. Your denying it is ignorant. You are the one who controles your own actions. It is a behavior which take an action behind it. What in the world is so complicated here. Nobody is taking controle of your body and making you do this. To say you have no choice is saying you have no controle of your own actions. So then I guess you are posessed? That is how absurd your reasoning is. There is always a choice, you may not like your choices, but there are choices. This is stupid because your not going to admit it, so I am just wasting by breath. I don't care what you do and it is a free world. Just don't tell everyone else that that they have to compromise their principals to accomendate you. - Logan
What is your source Logan? No not the Bible, your source from which you preach this knowledge that it's a choice? I've read plenty and I've never come across anything legitimate that states it's a choice. I will never believe the millions of millions of gays choose to be ridiculed and persecuted and I can't believe you think they would choose that life. Some readily accept it as who they are but others struggle with it their whole lives. They would never choose it. They may not act on it but their choice? Never. eom/FG
Posted by: Rosebud1
Date posted: Tue Nov 10 20:53:01 2009
Message:
Thinking & this woman are SO far apart! She wasn't fired for her beliefs, she was fired for not showing up & not fulfilling her contractual obligations. She still wants everyone to see her as the perpetual victim--now we're supposed to see her as the ex-boyfriend's victim. She wasn't forced to prance around nude for his camera--private or not.I find it scary to think that she was in the running for any position (no pun intended) that would have her being the face of the US to an international audience. Most of the international pageant winners I can think of (from the past) have been very intelligent, well spoken, thoughtful women who had WAY more going on upstairs than this chick. Most of them had full lives away from pageants & much more on their minds than boob jobs.
Posted by: fuzzwuzz
Date posted: Tue Nov 10 18:20:05 2009
Message:
I honestly wasn't altogether sure who the heck she was!!! And, boy, was she defensive big time! You can be sure I won't be buying her book, ever!! Too silly. A lot like that Kate and Jon folks. Who????? And, who cares?!!!
Posted by: fawny
Date posted: Tue Nov 10 17:39:08 2009
Message:
I saw her on the View and she reminded me of Spenser and Heidi, a big fame wh0re. She did not answer their questions and was rude to Barbara Walters when she asked her a question, so then Barbara was rude to her. I could not believe crazy Elizabeth was defending her. It sounds like her book has lies about Donald trump too. She acts like she is a big victim but she posed for nude pictures, now a sex video, and did not fulfill her duties so she was fired. She needs to go home and pray for forgiveness for all the lies she has told!
Replies: (list all replies)
I have to say that as rude as Barbara Walters has been to other guests, I am glad to see someone treat her the same way.
It is BW's show, not this airhead's. The airhead was a GUEST, putting herself out there for hard, uncomfortable questions. She isn't THAT dumb that she didn't know that there would be uncomfortable, difficult moments on the tour. How SHE came off was as a rude guest that you ask 'Why did I invite her here, again?!' If she wanted fluff & easy questions she should have stuck to Regis & Kelly, not gone to where she could/would be asked pointed questions she might not like. eom
