Bo and Nora may have stopped themselves from actually having sex, but I consider lusting in their hearts the same thing. Cheating is also kissing, holding hands, giving your heart to someone else. They were disappointed that they couldn't go all the way because of Clint, despite saying they didn't want to hurt him that way. Realizing how painful it would be for Clint quickly turned into how painful it was between them and they're so sorry about that now and it doesn't matter now... They just switched from almost having sex to sexual innuendo over pizza. Dancing - check. Junk food - check. Is that all there is to Bora?

I thought JvD was fantastic with Clint's quiet exhaustion and grief. His eyes got red and watery, but Clint isn't one to openly cry unless it's something like his baby girl being sexually molested as a child and then almost dying of hepatitis and liver cancer. I'm surprised Clint didn't tell Bo and Nora that a still-alive Mitch was the one who killed Jared and has been stalking his daughters.

Speaking of Mitch, I wanted to slap Rex for telling Gigi that Mitch was Jessica's 'real' father. Soaps have this obsession with birth parents being the only true, real parents, and very rarely has adoption been portrayed positively. Gigi thought Clint was Jessica's father, and Rex said that's what they want everyone to think, like the Bukes constantly work to keep Jessica's paternity a state secret. The show sort of made up for that by having Jessica tell Brody an episode earlier that Mitch is her father only through an accident of biology and Clint is her father in every way that matters. I hope she is re-Buke'd. That would be a really happy moment for Clint and his daughters.

I will only like a Clint/Kim story if Clint isn't portrayed as stupid or clueless. Like you say, there could be more to Kim. It would be nice to see Clint catching on to Kim but still keeping her company, and maybe some kind of genuine friendship develops. Bora's betrayal can spurn Clint into being more cavalier and pick up more Asa-behavior, but Clint's still his own person, so I hope it's not just another shallow rich tycoon/young gold-digger story. And the way Bora are joined at the hip, I wonder if Nora will even care or get jealous. I wonder how much concern they'll show about Clint rebounding with such a character. I'm not all that interested in Kim yet, but it will be interesting to see what happens with her after branching her out with other characters. Right now she's just Stacy's BFF, and she's obviously much smarter than Stacy is.

I also don't mind Gigi, but I don't like Rex, and tptb keep trying too hard to show how cosmically destined Rex/Gigi are. Gigi's mistakes are still nowhere near the level of Rex's, and yet she walks on eggshells around him. Rex should put some sincere feeling behind his words of understanding how hard this situation is for Gigi. And she's still there for him when something terrible happens to him (like finding out Mitch is his father).

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*Rex said that's what they want everyone to think, like the Bukes constantly work to keep Jessica's paternity a state secret* - That made me smile. Really!! What does Rex expect the Bukes to do? Take out an ad in the newspaper every now and then about Mitch being Jessica's father? Stupid. ladfan

Oh, how I hate the whole soap thing that the bio-parent is ''the'' parent. At least Jessica told Brody that Clint is her father in every way that counts and that Mitch was an accident of biology. I also agree about Gigi and Rex. Rex trounces all over Gigi's feelings and she walks on eggshells around his. That's why I have been for a Schuyler/Gigi pairing for a while. I want Rex to grow up and I want Gigi to be happy with someone else until he does. When he finally starts really, truly considering her feelings then they can get back together. Just saying ''I love you, Morasco'' doesn't prove it. Actions do. Wanda

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Posted by: SqueezeMe
Date posted: Wed Nov 18 14:28:07 2009
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JvD was wonderful, wasn't he?  I felt sorry for Clint too.  I'm telling you, my Nora hate -- always a viable thing -- is at an all time high.  mageve is right about Bo/Nora kissing.  It's nauseating. 

I know most people are dreading the Kim/Clint (Kint? Clim?) pairing, but I'm actually looking forward to it.  I know Clint will probably look like a fool, which will bug me, but I think I'll still enjoy the look on Nora's face the first time she sees Kim on Clint's arm.  I hope Clint gets to have some fun!

I can't even discuss Blair.  I'm just chalking it up to the fact that most characters get trashed for SL purposes from time to time.  It's just her turn.

I like Tea and Rachel's friendship, and I enjoy their scenes together.  Not being a fan of either character, no one is more surprised by that than I, but they humanize each other somehow. 

Dani looks like she could be Roger Howarth's daughter, doesn't she?  :o)

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I am so disgusted with Blair these days that I almost FFed her and Todd yesterday. I never thought I would even consider FFing a T&B scene. I am resigned to this for now and will wait it out. But let me tell you, it is hard out here for a Blair fan :) Of course, I have the double whammy with Nora too. ladfan

JvD was indeed wonderful. It looks like on Wednesday that Blair got some self-respect back. Thank goodness. And yes, great casting with Dani. She looks like she could be the daughter of FL and RH. Wanda

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Posted by: Gallagher
Date posted: Wed Nov 18 9:29:21 2009
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I enjoyed the brief scenes with Tea and Dani, and how they gave us a couple of non-screaming moments - first when Rachel told Dani that she did know she existed, and later, during the montage, when Dani showed up with the root beer for her mother.

I think it's funny that everyone has kind of gotten over the wacky coincidence that Dani and Matthew, of all people, met and became friends in England. Rachel didn't even bat an eye when she found out that her brother and Tea's daughter were already friends - only in Soap Land.

Clint - man - Jerry verDorn was the star of the show yesterday. He really cared about Jared, maybe as much as Charlie (don't forget that it was John Brotherton who played "Clint" in the 1968 storyline, so we were always made to feel the connection).

I have to remind myself what a pr!ck I thought Jared was; first for the scamming of the family, for not being nearly contrite enough after Nash's death (which I didn't blame him for, but he did play a hand in getting everything in motion), for holding the grudge against a mentally ill Jessica, but maybe mostly for the way he treated David Vickers earlier in the year when they all believed was the true Buchanan heir. Uggggh - lost any good feelings I had for him.

(So, what are the odds that at some point in the next year someone currently on the canvas turns out to be Charlie's long lost son, Jimmy, who supposedly got his by a car?)

Nora should have been on the plane - saying "I love you" to her husband should have come easier than a "me too."

I ff through ALL of the Kim and Auntie Whorebag scenes, so I have no opinion on Kimmie being The One to redeem this storyline or what.

I really enjoyed Todd imagining he was dancing with Tea - nice, nice touch.

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JvD did a fantastic job portraying how exhausted and sad Clint was, and it was an obvious creative device to show him coping all alone while the two people who should be supporting him now (his wife and brother) are all wrapped in each other, figuratively and literally. Bo seems very detached from his brother, like his only connection to Clint is as Nora's other man, which should be OOC for him. When was the last time he actually spoke with his brother without Nora around? And were they ever going to call and check in about Jessica and Natalie, Bo's supposed beloved nieces? I also caught Nora being unable to return Clint's ILY. She glanced at Bo before saying 'me too.' Did she feel like she would be cheating on Bo? They both claim to love Clint, would it have hurt her to actually say ILY after hearing the stress in his voice explaining Jared is dead? If Bo wasn't a factor, she supposedly would have been happy to stay married to Clint for the rest of her life, but now she's detached herself from him and they haven't even told him anything yet. She's still married to him (she keeps those rings on even while falling in bed with her husband's brother), so she should return the love and support that Clint has shown her and Bo. With the way Bora disregard Clint's feelings, I'm sort of looking forward to seeing him go 'slightly bonkers' as JvD said. eom

Great analysis of the whole Bo/Nora/Clint debacle. Not only is Bo being written as emotionally detached from his brother, that's the way RSW is playing him. However, as far as RSW is concerned, I imagine he may think Bo has to emotionally detach himself from Clint in order to make the moves on his brother's wife. If Bo thought of Clint as his brother and not just a rival, there is no way he would be trying to move in/on with Nora. Wanda

ITA about how Bo is regarding Clint. Back in London when Bo/Nora expressed their feelings for each other, Nora kept saying she loves Clint and doesn't want to hurt him and she's still married to him, etc. Bo replied that it's hard to remember Clint/Nora are actually married and that it's nothing personal between him and Clint. Bo would feel this way no matter who Nora was married to. So Bo has admitted that he's separated Clint his brother from Clint the rival, in his mind, but he's detached himself so much that he's forgetting Clint his brother. And, no matter how much Bo tries to separate the two, Clint his brother and Clint the rival are still the same person. There should be some great fallout for the brothers and hopefully Bo trying to repair things as time goes on, but with how easily Matthew is forgiving his parents, I wonder if RC is going to bother or just spin Clint off to Kim and send Bora in another direction. It would be a joke if Bo started feeling morally superior to Clint like he did with Asa. eom Emily

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Posted by: mageve
Date posted: Wed Nov 18 0:39:02 2009
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I can't believe that Nora wouldn't leave to be with Clint. He jumped on a plane to London to be with her - she should be doing the same for him. Also, whenever Nora and Bo kiss I can't stand to watch!

I use to like Blair, but right now I can hardly look at her either. Whenever she gets her way with Todd and they show a close up of her with that little smile of hers, it's beginning to remind me of Stacy and her little smirks.

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The only thing that's getting me through Blair's little smirk is the gut feeling she is going to end up on her keister in this storyline. I don't think things are going to end up like she wants them. Maybe after this blows up in her face she'll return to being an adult. She makes a very good adult. Wanda

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Posted by: Ice Cream Soldier
Date posted: Tue Nov 17 21:28:32 2009
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Where were Jessica and Natalie today? Was any explanation given? I can't remember.

I'm happy Ho-Bo and Whora didn't go all the way. (But they were still cuddling! Creeps).

I find myself enjoying Kim more and more. Kim is what Stacy should have been.

Mitch is under California's jurisdiction. How long before he breaks out of jail and comes to Llanview? I bet one of those cops works for him.

Blair needs to find a new man and forget about Todd. This is getting really sad to watch.

I feel bad for Clint. He's doing everything he can to get his family through this crisis, and has no idea his wife is dumping him.

RB nailed it today. It was just disturbing when Charlie confronted Mitch:

Charlie: YOU KILLED MY SON!!!!!!!!

Mitch: Would it help if I said I was sorry?

That made me shudder, I'm getting freaked out thinking about that scene right now. Mitch seemed a little over the top last week, but now I find I'm enjoying his creepiness.

Mitch is obsessed with finding all his family, so why has he not tracked down his brother Miles? I know the actor doesn't work on OLTL anymore, but he should come back for at least a few episodes during this storyline. Roxy had a crush on Miles at one point- made more interesting now with the history rewrite with Mitch and Rex.

Mitch is Shane's Grand-daddy- that explains a lot, doesn't it? ; )

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Kim is exactly what Stacy should have been, right down to the actress. Of course, Mitch has some of the Napa police in his pocket. Heck, who's to say they are actually police officers? Mitch makes me want to throttle him half the time; he's so good at manipulating people. And, to me, it's a believable manipulation. This man can twist anything around to put the other person on the defensive. Wanda

Clint said Jessica was checking Natalie into a hotel. //SqueezeMe

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Posted by: lurdane22
Date posted: Tue Nov 17 19:25:38 2009
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How about letter "L" shirts then?   Or a picture of Nora/Bo kissing on the front with Clint all alone on the back?

I agree about Blair..   Long ago I came up with how Todd/Blair's relationship goes:

Person A hates Person B, so Person B wants/loves Person A

Person A warms up to Person B, Person A and B reconile.  And bake for 2 days.

Person A or B gets mad, upset and calls everything off.

Repeat.

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Todd and Blair have definitely been in the oven too many times. They are over-done. Wanda

LOL! So now I'm picturing Todd roasting on a spit with an apple in his mouth. It's making me smile. //SqueezeMe

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Posted by: ladfan
Date posted: Tue Nov 17 18:14:17 2009
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I am glad that Bo/Nora stopped before going further.  That would have made it much worse.  I also think Nora should have been on the first plane to be with Clint.  I know everyone hates Nora now, but this is a little out of character for her.  Even if love for Clint is not the driving force, the guilt alone would have made her leave to be with Clint.  Clint needs Nora and she should be with him now.   I am crying uncle here.  Please stop!!

Even the thought of Clint and Kim makes me sick.  I hope Clint sees right through her. 

Talking about beating up on my favorites, I now cringe every time Blair is on.  Why are they doing this to her?  Blair didn't want Todd a month ago, and now she is doing everything but beg him to be with her?  WHY??  I still maintain that this is to facilitate the great love story, and hate the fact that Blair is being used, not to mention the trashing Ross has taken.  I get it TPTB, Blair is evil, Todd and Tea are all that is good and pure.  Please free her from Todd!!

Did anyone else get the feeling that either Mitch paid off those Napa cops or he is going to escape?  All I could think of was they are not real cops.   

The Roxy/Sky, Gigi/Rex scenes were good.  I guess they are saving the Sky/Gigi secret for another day.  Kim convinced even Stacy to keep quiet about it.  I still can't get over Gigi's hairstyle and nails.  remember back when she looked like a regular working mom?

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Actually I would kind of like to see Clint/Kim work. John was an IDIOT for thinking he could take Mitch back to PA. For an ex-FBI agent, current detective he sure is clueless regarding the law.

Between Nora and Blair, I think Nora is being destroyed more. I can understand Blair's rationale - it really has everything to do with Tea not winning. Blair is working overtime to convince herself that she wants Todd, but she really doesn't. She just doesn't want Tea to have him. Nora, man, I don't know where to start. Clint will do anything and everything for her and all she's capable of is thinking of herself. I can't see Clint being taken in by the Kim we currently see. If she tones it down and works really hard, though, I can see Clint rebounding from Nora to a sympathetic Kim. As for Gigi's hair, this is worse the the helmet hair she had when she first came on the show. This looks like she slept on her left side while her hair was wet. And watching Rex and Gigi, I was thinking how similar their hairstyles are. Wanda

No question that Nora is being trashed more. This is old territory for Blair, but I just hate it. Todd ain't all that and he is certainly not into Balir. Just give up and move on. But I see Blair stuck in this storyline for the forseeable future. LOL at your comment about Gigi and Rex having the same hairstyle. It is awful, and makes Gigi look trashy. ladfan

I don't know if Nora is being trashed, more like showing all of her negative habits at once. This is the 3rd time Nora's cheated on her husband, and the 2nd time she's cheated with her husband's brother. Bora got back together because of Matthew - I haven't seen any evidence as to why Bo would decide to forgive Nora after all these years, or that either has really changed and learned from the issues that broke them in the first place. And just look at how Nora goes after Lindsay, nothing can sway her from going to extremes if necessary, and she gets very defensive if anyone suggests she's doing it wrong. Nora has good qualities too, but RC's writing has only been spotlighting the negative ones for far too long. It's the same thing with Blair - she can be pathetic and needy, but that's all she's been for months now. These women can be strong and independant, but around 'their man' they become clingy and selfish. eom

Emily, that is it. they are showcasing all of Nora's negative qualities at once. I will forever defend Nora when it comes to Lindsay, but she is treating Clint very badly. Bo is not looking much better either. ladfan

Emily, you bring up a very good point about all of Nora's worst attributes coming out all at once. Wanda

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