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Topic: So who took a stupid pill today?

Topic Posted by: sea
Date Posted: Fri Oct 30 23:05:05 2009
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Amelia. She asked Dorian if David mattered to her, and when Dorian didn't answer, Amelia just assumed the stupid wedding should take place.

Dorian. Wearing her wedding ensemble from her left-at-the-altar wedding with David.

Nick. Could he be more obtuse?

Kevin. How could he not have seen Bo and Nora liplocked?

Destiny. God love her--how does a day trip to Washington equate to an international flight?

Eli. Really, Eli? Are you coming on to Tea?

Ross. Absolutely not one cent to pay for a drink, and legally forbidden to leave the country. Good plan.

Matthew and Dani. You just know these two are going to run away.

Destiny. Again. How are she and David supposed to know where Matthew is?

Jack. There is no way I would believe he would prefer a haunted house he has already been in to seeing Dorian make a fool of herself.

Shane. No particular reason--just a shout out to Miss.Bear.

Posted by: ladfan
Date posted: Mon Nov 2 18:16:28 2009
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Amelia. - Amelia is a manipulative tool.

Dorian. - Dorian is stupid for even think of this scheme of marrying Amelia. She clearly still loves David.

Nick. - I don't think he is obtuse at all, he knows Kyle doesn't love him. He is also a manipulative tool. He is clingy and whiny.

Kevin. How could he not have seen Bo and Nora liplocked? - I don't see how Kevin couldn't have seen Bo/Nora kiss.

Destiny. - She is in love, what can I say?

Eli. Really, Eli? Are you coming on to Tea? I am thinking Eli is the one guy who could make me tolerate Tea. I can't believe how sanctimonious that witch is about Ross.

Ross. Absolutely not one cent to pay for a drink, and legally forbidden to leave the country. Good plan. - You said it all!!

Matthew and Dani. Stupid and Stupider..

Jack. There is no way I would believe he would prefer a haunted house he has already been in to seeing Dorian make a fool of herself. - I agree with you there.

Shane. Just to see Shane is to be annoyed, I can't stand him.

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I almost agree with you about Tea--I didn't like her before, liked her for a minute before 'the big secret', and don't like her now, but Eli might just be the ticket. eom/sea

I have always hated Tea, but Elijah makes her almost tolerable. ladfan

Posted by: Proudmary74
Date posted: Mon Nov 2 2:55:09 2009
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I am so disappointed that writers seem to be trying to make a bad guy out of Ross, especially when Danielle seems to really love and miss him, Tea clearly lied to him about him being the father and then without even telling him she sweeps Danielle away and locks her in a British boarding school. I am simply not buying it that he is so bad that she has to remove her daughter from both her parents while she is back in the states trying to defend her supposed real father from a rape charge after he took advantage of his victim's not remembering that he raped her to take advantage of her once again, and then he tries to steal his own daughter's baby. I will allow that Ross is a rouge, but they have yet to convince me that he is worse than any Llanview guy with a temper, and we know Llanview has many guys with tempers who are allowed to walk around as heros or at the very least they are considered upstanding citizens. Please tell me what Ross has done that suddenly makes him this monster? I like Ross and Elijah. I'd like to see a double wedding with the two brothers marrying Blair and Tea. Even if we have to be treated to a copycat of ''Bride Wars!'' To me it would be worth it.

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ICAM -- this switching gears is baffling. If Ross is a bad guy, why did we spend weeks watching him almost charm the pants off Blair? I smell a focus group... ~ Rhonda

Several people have mentioned that it seems the writers don't know what to do with Ross. Considering the fact that, historically, Daniella could not possibly be the daughter of either Todd or Ross, I don't know if we can have any hope for anything. It would seem, however, that Ross is the better parent, again fueling my distaste for all things Tea. eom/sea

Posted by: Rhonda
Date posted: Sun Nov 1 19:17:27 2009
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Elijah touching Tea's arm like that -- very interesting. I'd love for Tea to rebound into his arms and Blair to be stuck with Todd.

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The way Blair is acting now, I would love for her to get stuck with Todd and to watch as Tea moves on - very happily - with Elijah. Wanda Wolek

I'm not sure I would call it 'stuck' with Todd, but I get the idea. The person I like less and less is Ross, so maybe he is the one to be out in the cold.....? eom/sea

It does appear that amusing surfer dude is morphing into hair-trigger temper bad guy though that doesn't explain Tea's decision to cut him out of his daughter's life. Yes, I've heard that he threatned to run off with Dani, so it's ok that Tea beats him to the punch? And if bad behavior means no contact with your kids, then what was Tea doing all these years helping Todd fight Blair for custody? On Ross's worse day, he can't touch Todd's rap sheet! ~ Rhonda

Posted by: Kate
Date posted: Sun Nov 1 11:11:36 2009
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The Writers!!

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sorry, should have read the other posts more carefully. apparently, I wasn't the only one who thought that the writers took the stupid pill!/Kate

It can't be said too much! Thanks. eom/sea

Posted by: redbird
Date posted: Sat Oct 31 18:31:58 2009
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David - for taking a minor child out of the country.

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Good catch! I guess I am so numbed by the stories that are being told that I totally overlooked that one--maybe the most significant! eom/sea

There is absolutely no way that Destiny would have been able to get on that airplane without a parent. The writers want us to believe that she was able to just mozy on with David in this age of child abductions?? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

Posted by: Wanda Wolek
Date posted: Sat Oct 31 14:23:49 2009
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Destiny's dad - for not checking with Mrs. Evans to see if she remembers Destiny's field trip to Washington. Maybe this is the first lie Destiny has ever fed her parents, but I somehow find that hard to believe.

Destiny - why would this girl have a passport? And wouldn't she need one to even get on the plane, let alone clear customs at Heathrow?

Cole and Markko - for thinking with the wrong part of their anatomy.

Ross - Rhonda had it right. It seems the writers don't know yet what they want to do with him. At first he was charming and caring with Blair. Now he's obsessed and violent. Anyway, why didn't he steal Eli's cash at the same time he was stealing his brother's credit card?

The writers - because I really wish they had presented a more balanced storyline with the gay wedding. Not everyone who is against gay marriages are rabidly homophobic. And it's easy for those in the audience to say, "well, I'm not like them". It's a parody and it does a great injustice to those seeking the right to marry their partners, regardless of gender. (Note: I am for gay marriage, but I know reasonable people who aren't. They may be uneasy with the thought of homosexuality in a subconscious way, but they would never protest at a mass gay wedding. These are the people that the writers should be trying to reach. The ardent anti-gays won't change their minds based on this story; they'll just tune out.)

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You seem to think that this wedding is a PSA rather than plot point in a love triangle. People who wouldn't protest at gay weddings didn't belong in that scene; ''I have nothing against gays'' bullies like Mrs. Burns (whose statements were as hypocritical as some I've read on this board, so it's reality, not parody) DO belong in the scene. Getting people to see themselves and change their minds is a secondary goal; the primary goal is to tell the story of Oliver Fish, Kyle Lewis and Nick Chavez. If they tell the human, positive side of the story properly, viewers will change without realizing it.

BA, if you honestly believe people will change just by the sight of a mass same-sex wedding, then either you are hopelessly naive or have been in the pill bottle yourself. People can and do change every day, but most people tend to be more resistant when issues are forced on them. In your world of cartoon birds and musical notes, this is a love story--and I agree that the part about Kyle and Fish is, and should be. The agenda-driven characters are not likeable and I hope their days are numbered. Just as Wanda said, and you can call it hypocrisy or any other slanderous term you choose to use when someone doesn't agree with you, not all people who are against gay marriage are homophobic. Think what you like, but allow us to do the same. eom/sea

Destiny has a passport. She showed it to David (he asked). She got it when she went to Aruba (xmas gift for family from Greg)

sea, try to respond to what I wrote instead of just making up nonsense as an excuse to insult me. I said, ''If they tell the human, positive side of the story properly, viewers will change without realizing it,'' which clearly refers to the writers' efforts to make Oliver, Kyle and Nick relatable characters with interactions all over the canvas, so that viewers will eventually think of their romantic entanglements as the same sort of drama as Rex/Gigi/Schuyler, without noticing gender. I never said that the sight of a wedding would change anybody's mind - in fact, I explained to Wanda that I don't think that it was ever the writers' intention to do that with the wedding and its protestors, just to create a dramatic climax for the love triangle. The protestors were there just so that Kyle could see Oliver as a new man. What Wanda said was that most people who oppose marriage equality aren't RABIDLY homophobic (i.e., they wouldn't take the time to protest at a wedding), yet she may agree with me that opposition to equal rights meets the definition of homophobia (irrational prejudice against homosexuality). I didn't call Mrs. Burns hypocritical because I disagree with the character, I called her hypocritical because she says ''I don't have anything against gays'' and ''We don't hate you'' even as she's making up slogans like ''Pervs on Parade!'' that are intended to hurt and intimidate. We have a few posters like that on this board, so I wouldn't call Mrs. Burns and her contradictions a parody.

Well, BA, I don't see the mass wedding as a PSA as much as a SPD, and one that is beating people over the head. I think that the writers could have created a much better avenue to further the Kyle/Fish love story than this farce of a mass wedding. It's over the top and because of that, easy to dismiss. It bothers me that the writers are choosing easy to dismiss characters to voice the dissent. Mrs. Burns has been a doofus from the first time she showed up. Mr. Rivera is already seen as a closed-minded person. Carlotta could and should have been someone who is basically accepting but uneasy with gay marriage based upon her religious upbrining. Cris also. Cris would have been the perfect character to start out against gay marriage and then be won slowly over by Fish's love for Kyle. But all we get are stereotypes. And even though I am pro-equal rights and the right to marry for gays, I am even finding this a big turn-off. It's all for effect, not for substance. I don't like sledgehammers, whether it's for gay rights or John McBain being SuperCop. Sledgehammers are sledgehammers and they give me headaches. Wanda

lurdane, thanks for the info about Destiny's passport. I must have zoned out during that scene. Wanda

Wanda, I understand what you're saying, but I disagree with a lot of it. First of all, I don't think we need a story about someone being persuaded to stop voting against marriage equality, and second, I don't think Cristian is the right character for such a story at all! Cristian's role in Oliver's coming-out story has been incredibly moving, and I love it that he represents acceptance in action and it's not a statement, just a natural manifestation of their friendship. I agree with you about Carlotta, but my impression of Ernesto Rivera is very different than yours. I see him as a sympathetic character - a sincere Catholic who respects sex and is heartbroken that his son doesn't, and yet he always takes the high road and forgives Markko. Sure he's a homophobe, but he's not a stereotype; he's a gentleman, wiser, more articulate, and more even-tempered than a lot of homophobes are in real life or on the internet. Now, I've said all along that Dorian marrying Amelia is a stupid plot device, but the writers needed to dramatize the reunion of Oliver and Kyle, and giving Kyle/Nick a reason to rush into marriage was a good idea, a classic soapy situation. It was also shrewd of them to piggyback the supporting characters' story onto a Dorian/Viki plot to give it a higher profile. Unfortunately, the Dorian half of the plot has been a sledgehammer of campy humour (I really don't think they're trying to be educational, just irreverent to both sides), except for a few thoughtful remarks by Amelia/Angel Mel. I find it easy enough to look past that and enjoy the story about love, courage, redemption and forgiveness.

I had not had a chance to watch the episode until Sunday, but now that I have, I have to say that while I would rather that the gay marriage issue have been handled in another way, I do think that once they brought it out in public that the protestors had to be there. A mass gay wedding in the middle of any town square in this country would bring protesters. Practically anything done in public these days draws protesters! What surprised me is how tame those signs were considering what has been going on in real life these days and I agree that the protesters were used to convince Fish that he had to speak out to defend what he had come to recognize was his. Now Markko and Cris, that was a little much although young people who are caught up in the moment will sometimes act impulsively if they are upset enough. The show really did not have the time to take it to that fevered pitch, so that part looked pretty contrived to me. Still anyone who remembers the Anita Bryant, anti gay hysteria of the 1970's can recognize the Mrs. Burns character. And do note, that while Mr. Rivera did make his views known to Markko, he wasn't among the protesters, nor was Mrs. Rivera. Proudmary

Posted by: Ice Cream Soldier
Date posted: Sat Oct 31 13:02:57 2009
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Don't forget the writers, they've been hooked on the stupid pills forever. It sure looked like Kevin caught Bo and Nora kissing... what a letdown. Let's also give Cole and Markko stupid pills for succumbing to their girlfriends' browbeating.

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oh, yeah, I knew I was forgetting something! If Cole and Marco aren't a case of having their hoo hoos caught in a vice grip, I don't know what is! Ahem, pardon my terrible grammmar and any discomfort my description may have caused! vh

I didn't mention Cole because anyone who has ever read my posts knows that I ignore him. The boys are definitely whipped. eom/sea

Posted by: Brhannada^sArmour
Date posted: Sat Oct 31 11:39:40 2009
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I got the impression that Amelia dropped her façade for a moment and spoke as Angel Mel. What I find annoying is that nobody mentions the real partner that Amelia claimed to have. Amelia even said to Nick and Kyle that she's not part of a real couple, as if we're supposed to forget that she originally asked Dorian to help her marry her partner. Now, when Amelia said that she didn't want Dorian to be ambivalent about the wedding, why didn't Dorian throw the question back at her: ''Wouldn't you rather be marrying Bedelia, not me?''

Nick isn't obtuse - from the way he greeted Kyle, it was obvious that he knew that Kyle was looking around for Oliver, and that Kyle would balk at the thought of the marriage being legal. I thought his body language conveyed that he was steeling himself to be dumped. It's not Nick's fault that every time he tries to let Kyle go, Kyle insists that he wants to marry him. And it's not Nick's responsibility to back out, because HE takes his vows seriously.

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What about all the other characters mentioned?

It would be interesting to hear your take on someone besides the gay characters. A lot of us are way more invested in some of the other storylines. TPTB had their chance with this one, and the ship sailed. Nick and Amelia should have been on it. eom/sea

What about the other characters, indeed?

I believe that is what I asked you, but there are other characters. eom/sea

You see, B.A only discusses the gay characters and anything gay because B.A like the writters of the show is trying to push an agenda. Why else does B.A never post about any other character or any other story ever? Seems a little suspicious.

Hell has surely frozen over because I actually agree with you, Miss. Bear. B.A. is well intentioned, I'm sure, but this storyline is all about pushing his/her agenda. I doubt s/he watched the show before Kyle and Fish got a story. And s/he seems to care nothing about the other stories at all. Wanda Wolek

Luna here - agreeing with Wanda and Miss. Bear. .

Brhannada^sArmour here, agreeing with Miss.Bear, Wanda and Luna. I freely admit that civil rights are my agenda and I take interest in stories for minority characters (although they have to be well-written). I think that OLTL is doing an excellent job of integrating the show, and I look forward to being drawn into other storylines. I make no apologies for having no loyalty to one soap over another, or for commenting only when I have something to say. What I don't understand is why you think I and my interests are worthy of comment. Am I important?

This is a soap opera we're here to discuss storylines not push agendas down people's throat. You're forcing your views every chance you get. We already know your pro gay everything. What I also don't like is being called names because I don't support your views. We have gotten into it many times here and every time I have been called ignorant, homophobe,and bigot. Not everybody who doesn't support your views are all those things. You are trying to turn this board into something it's not. We come here to discuss OLTL and not push views onto others and that's all they are is YOUR views.

Hmm... what we see here is a post by me that is entirely about OLTL characters and plot, with several replies from those who would rather discuss ME than respond to what I said about OLTL. I don't call any POSTERS names - can you say the same? If I refer to COMMENTS as ignorant, homophobic or bigoted, that's because they meet the definitions of those words. Maybe you should try to follow the guidelines and discuss topics of relevance to OLTL, not your opinions of fellow posters.

I think you're well aware of what you're doing. It's a little hard not to think there's some sort of agenda on your part. It's every single post and it's always about the same thing. Yes, I have been refered to as all those names because I don't support your views.

BA, what I find interesting is that you still have dodged sea's question. What other characters do you think took a stupid pill? You never mention other stories, just the one with gay characters. Don't you think David took a stupid pill before leaving the country with 14-year-old Destiny? What about Eli, giving information to an obviously upset Ross? Not a single character from any other story line gets mentioned by you, nor do you comment on the other storylines themselves. Do you even watch them? It looks like you aren't commenting on OLTL, a soap opera, but on your agenda. And even though I agree with you about equal rights for gays, I will from now on avoid your posts because they are repetitious and, therefore, rather boring. Which is sad, because if you are trying to promote an agenda for something as worthy as equal rights, why do you want to chase people away by using a sledgehammer? Wanda

Thanks, Wanda. BA has often ignored my posts and I suspect it is because he/she doesn't have an answer. I decided earlier that I'm going to try to refrain from engaging this person because it is totally non-productive. He/She calls everyone on the board hypocrites, and then claims there is no name-calling on his/her part. I believe this is a very angry person, and I'm sorry for that, but I didn't cause it and I can't control anything other than letting BA's posts go unanswered. If you noticed, the first BA post appeared after this storyline started, and hopefully, when it is done, BA will move on to another platform. It doesn't seem to matter that you have said, as have I, that we find no problem with same-sex marriages. Yet, we are still hammered. I give up. eom/sea

I don't support B.A's agenda and get tired of being called bigot for it. Not everybody who is not in favor of gay adoptions or gay marriages is a bigot.If B.A wants to start a topic somewhere else fine but this not the place to do it. People are getting tired of it.

Posted by: vh
Date posted: Sat Oct 31 10:46:20 2009
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Amelia. She asked Dorian if David mattered to her, and when Dorian didn't answer, Amelia just assumed the stupid wedding should take place. But Amelia doesn't really care what Dorian wants. Friday was the first time she seemed to actually care, but it lasted seconds.

Dorian. Wearing her wedding ensemble from her left-at-the-altar wedding with David. I think it's the writers-I don't think Dorian would ever wear an outfit like that again. She's too fru fru haute couture. Well, guess she did take the stupid pill since she is going through with the wedding.

Nick. Could he be more obtuse? I think he took a needy, clingy, obnoxious pill.

Kevin. How could he not have seen Bo and Nora liplocked? Maybe he repressed the memory from the trauma. Ya know, that would almost be as bad as walking in on your parents!

Destiny. God love her--how does a day trip to Washington equate to an international flight? What did I miss? She was just using that line about the school trip to con her dumb ol' dad, wasn't she?

Eli. Really, Eli? Are you coming on to Tea? Oooo, again, what did I miss? I mean, I want Tea with Todd, but I like Elijah and he and Tea have a great dynamic.

Ross. Absolutely not one cent to pay for a drink, and legally forbidden to leave the country. Good plan. I have yet to be impressed by Ross. Oh, I did enjoy when he surprised Blair with the keys after diving for them.

Matthew and Dani. You just know these two are going to run away. Hmmm.

Destiny. Again. How are she and David supposed to know where Matthew is? I thought the idea was to storm the compound and demand answers from Bo and Nora. She's a tough cookie and she knows about the kiss, too. Too bad she was in flight and didn't catch the smooching through the front window. And with David being there--!

Jack. There is no way I would believe he would prefer a haunted house he has already been in to seeing Dorian make a fool of herself. Put that way, hmmmm.... I thought he'd definitely pick a haunted house over a wedding.

Shane. No particular reason--just a shout out to Miss.Bear. Oh, there are reasons, I assure you!!! Let's see: what a dork. Trying to rope Schuyler into joining them. And what kid this age has his heart set on any activity with his parents? (Again, the writers took the stupid pill, but more than happy to let Shane take the blame.) And again, like he'd be so anxious to go to a wedding. What a dork. But I do like him with Roxy. Oh, yeah, a stupid pill (ha ha, an extra one!!) for Roxy! Don't give poor Schuyler the look and all those references about people getting in between Rex and Gigi when you are the one who sent him over!!! Duh!

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I think you are right about Nick's meds. And Shane--that kid needs a serious........disciplining. You're right, though--Roxy also needs to pick a lane. eom/sea

Posted by: Miss.Bear
Date posted: Sat Oct 31 1:27:11 2009
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Thanks for adding adding Shane to the list. He needs to be on there. He was his usual bratty self this week. As I wrote in my post above it was stupid of him to think Rex would love a pic of Gigi, Schylar, and him in costume together like a family. Like Rex wants to see a pic of Gigi and Schylar together. What was he thinking? Stupid Shane!

He hadn't been on the show in a while, thought we got rid of him and now he's back, grrrrrr.

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Yeah....I guess I didn't realize how much I didn't miss him until he is back. eom/sea

Posted by: PhoenixTamer
Date posted: Sat Oct 31 0:26:15 2009
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Howdy Good Ol Sea! - Believe about it or not, i actually agree with most of your takes this time!! Maybe its a Fool Moon! ;)

Amelia. She asked Dorian if David mattered to her, and when Dorian didn't answer, Amelia just assumed the stupid wedding should take place. I can't stand the character or the actress.

Dorian. Wearing her wedding ensemble from her left-at-the-altar wedding with David. We get it - Dorian's always loved David...We don't need to be hit over the head with it writers...

Nick. Could he be more obtuse? Ill look that word up later, but, for now, ill say what I said about his dumb partner in crime ameila - can't stand the character or actor...

Kevin. How could he not have seen Bo and Nora liplocked? That was bizarre and a cheap trick by the writers...the way he walked in, of COURSE he would have seen them..

Destiny. God love her--how does a day trip to Washington equate to an international flight? I didn't get that either...but, then, I don't get Destiny or the weird way she talks (not that *I* should be down on anyone for ''talking weird'' lol)

Eli. Really, Eli? Are you coming on to Tea? I don't know what that was all about...but...I do like this character of Eli...I liked him back when the Custody Case and Trial of Mathew Vs Bo/Nora was going on and Eli was actually standing up to her in the court room...I love Tea very greatly and deeply, but, she had been having it her way (especially in court) without anyone standing up to her for far too long...

Ross. Absolutely not one cent to pay for a drink, and legally forbidden to leave the country. Good plan. I don't know....I still have a feeling that the writers still donn't quite have a firm idea just yet of exactly who they want Ross to be...I kinda like him though.

Matthew and Dani. You just know these two are going to run away.Well, what I am fearing is that they share some stupid kiss that is also dumb just as Destiny walks in...i really would feel bad for Destiny...

Destiny. Again. How are she and David supposed to know where Matthew is? Thats a pretty good question, if you would like to know the truth about it. If they showed how, I missed it. I did see Mathew sneak in his phone call to Miss DelGado...I liked seeing her actually care...say what you will about it, but she IS an EXCELLENT lawyer, and attorney, and does seem to care about her clients. (Plus she deeply hates Nora)

Jack. There is no way I would believe he would prefer a haunted house he has already been in to seeing Dorian make a fool of herself. Thats a tough one...I know what you mean - we know Jack, but, at ten years-old, another romp through the Haunted Deal may well still be his preferfence. i certainly agree that its arguable, though, given what we know about the little scamp.

Shane. No particular reason--just a shout out to Miss.Bear. I rather highly endorse this. The kid was gone for like two months and it was a happy time for me. miss B was probably on Cloud 9...then, this week - BOOM - he was back and more annoying thab ever :(

chris

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chris, OMG! Of course, Destiny will see Matthew and Dani! It is too soapy to pass up. And I'm finding myself drawn to Eli. Ross, on the other hand..... And do not tell me you really think it is a Fool Moon! eom/sea

I was teasing myself on the 'Fool' moon... for agreeing with you LOL!!! ...although, we usuallya gree more than it seems sometimes - but not always. Its even possible that sometimes when we do *I* could be the one in error....though I seriously doubt that ;-) ...Seriously though, I don't know what it is about Destiny...I don't really like the actress or the character, but I like DESTINY ha ha!!! I know that makes no sense! ... Maybe i just like her because she is an example of a human being that has shown real and unselfish loved and kindness to another human being (mathew) and thats always nice to see...the world needs more of that....so, i don't want her to walk in and see that, but you are 8,000% correct when you say that she WILL:( ... - chris

Chris, now that your words are correct, let's work on your numbers. While I appreciate the 8000% support, it just isn't possible. Seriously, I always appreciate your responses, and I hope you don't mind the good natured fun some of us have with your posts. Keep 'em comin'. eom/sea

:-O)