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Topic: Spin off: (sort of): Childhood vaccinations


Topic Posted by: bella tx
Date Posted: Fri Apr 25 15:07:05 2008
Additional Comments:

I was just reading in JuMPer's topic about vaccinating children and the concern w/ specifically the MMR shot.  Obviously, a very hot topic these days.

It always gets me wondering how dangerous these diseases are??  I had Measles and Mumps as a child, I believe.  I understand the need to eradicate these viruses on the whole...but I really don't know the answer...how dangerous are Measles, Mumps or Rubella?? 

We opted to delay the MMR shot and break it up as the M, the M and the R for Colin until he was 2 and space them out over time.  I believe in the vaccinations, it was just presented to me as an option and I took it.  He had some big reactions after his 6 month shots and I just decided to go on a delayed/spaced out vaccination schedule...especially since he was not around other kids, etc.  

So...what did you do for your children...do you think there is concern w/ the childhood immunization schedule...how dangerous are the shots....the MMR?   

Just looking for your thoughts...





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Posted by: Sanna
Date posted: Sat Apr 26 13:47:20 2008
Message:

My only concern regarding vaccinations is that I think it should (and in a lot of cases it can be) be the paren't choice regarding what ones their child receives and when.  I just disagree with doctor's shoving them in your face when babies are so small, in most cases a 2 day old does not need a Hepatitis B vaccination.  But it is equally the parent's responsibility to research them and make a decision that will work for them.  I just have a hard time with people who blindly follow their doctor's without questioning what they are doing, or recommending. 

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  • Sanna, ICAM. I understand the need for vaccinations and the need to eradicate these diseases. I know that the vaccination schedule is the best possible approach to reach this goal, but I also question the need for some of these shots at such a young age. I also think each child and each situation differs and for our situation, a delayed MMR schedule worked. I am changing Pediatricians b/c I am tired of him constantly telling me that vaccines are 100% safe for children under 24 months. Maybe they are, but how can he say that with such assurance? How can anyone make those claims? Sidenote: I also request the thimerosal free flu shot for my son as well. That goes over really well w/ my son's pediatrician (tongue in cheek) but I simply don't care. It is my right to do what I feel is best for my son. bella tx

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    Posted by: Kri
    Date posted: Fri Apr 25 23:53:59 2008
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    I guess my biggest question is whether or not those diseases are still a threat in our society today. I have no idea, but it is worth figuring out. Wasn't Polio part of the vaccines back in the day? And do they still vaccinate for it?

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  • My guess would be yes on both counts. I had to get both my MMR & Polio vaccinations updated as part of my immigration (to the US) procedure.....nics
  • Great question on these being a threat today. The childhood schedule does include vaccinations for Polio. My doctor did say that of the shots I was delaying...he felt the best about that one. bella tx

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    Posted by: Anne
    Date posted: Fri Apr 25 22:19:22 2008
    Message:

    I really didn't have an option, since Izzy was born with renal failure and she needed to be protected from everything. Of course I was apprehensive about it.

     

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  • Totally makes sense, Anne. I think every child, every situation is different!! bella tx

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    Posted by: sam
    Date posted: Fri Apr 25 20:34:04 2008
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    I don't vaccinate my pets and I wouldn't vaccinate kids if I had them. I don't think they know enough about them and what they can do to you down the road.

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  • I am for vaccinating, I just wish I had put my child on a delayed schedule for ALL the shots...it just made sense to me w/ my situation. bella tx

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    Posted by: Mandy
    Date posted: Fri Apr 25 18:40:59 2008
    Message:
    If you work a few years in the Pediatric ICU in a Children's Hospital, you will quickly become a vaccination proponent.  The diseases are MUCH more likely to kill or disable a child than the vaccines are.  But, I do believe in the parents right to chose, as long as they have GOOD info and not a buch of hoo-ey from a radical parent group.

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  • It should be the parent's choice - no matter where they get their information from!
  • I agree, but I hope you would agree that it is tragic when people make huge decisions based on FALSE info aimed simply to play on parents deepest fears. I'm not saying ALL groups are guilty of this, but we both know that you can't believe everything you read on the internet...Mandy
  • Exactly, and you can't believe everything the CDC and your doctor may tell you also. That's why it should be solely the parent's decision, not the state's.
  • Thanks for replying, Mandy. I can't even imagine what you have seen!! I agree about the parents right to chose w/ good information. Thanks, bella t

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    Posted by: Bonk5
    Date posted: Fri Apr 25 16:44:34 2008
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    It is good to know nowdays you can break up the MMR shot. But yes to your question, it can be dangerous. Yes we( my family) all had them (not the mumps tho) but if you did not get them and get them as an adult it can be very bad. Infections, sterile, very ill.

    Chicken pox are not so bad. The shot came out when my kids were younger in the 90's. My youngest still got them, but a milder case. Of course has an adult shingles can be very bad.

    But why have your child suffer and be ill, when they can get a shot?

    When I was 5 or so the Polio vaccine just started. We all walked down the the local HS to get the little sugar cube that had the meds in it.

    I am worried about a lot of kids in the school systems that are not getting the vaccine and might be carriers of TB or something.

    Becasue of the vaccines most childhood diseases have been wiped out. Whooping cough is one you don't hear too much about anymore.

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  • That's true that the Measles can be very bad as an adult! My nephew had Whooping Cough when he was an infant about 16 years ago and almost died...bad stuff!! bella tx

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    Posted by: ingyandbert
    Date posted: Fri Apr 25 15:32:16 2008
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    When I was in first grade, the school had some nurses come to administer shots.  The night before, my older brother told me the needle was so big that it went in one side of your arm and came out the other (picture a 10 year old boy holding his hands about a foot apart and speaking in a conspiratorial whisper -- brothers!).  So the next day, I stood in line for my shot and when they called my name to step forward I slumped to the floor -- passed out cold!  I woke up with my older sister's best friend's mother (got that?) sitting at my side.  I looked at her and said, ''What about the shot?'' She told me they gave it to me while I was out.  (What a relief!)

    So a few months later, it was time for more shots.  I wasn't taking any chances, though -- I tore up the permission slip into itty, bitty pieces and kept my mouth shut about it.  Then I did the same thing the next time and the next time, etc. 

    Fast forward about 15 years.  I signed up for a semester abroad program in college and needed to undergo a medical exam and provide proof of immunization.  Oops!  I confessed to the doctor that I had only received that one shot and my parents never realized I was supposed to have gotten others.  (He was quite impressed with my early avoidance skills, lol!)  He made arrangements for me to come back and get all the vaccinations at once.  Fortunately, they were able to combine some together and all I had to do was get 1 needle stick and a sugar cube. 

    The funny thing is that as an adult, I'm not skittish about needles whatsoever.  Go ahead, shoot me, no problem.  It's all good. 

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  • LOL ingy!!! Your brother did a serious number on you :) You got him back by not being afraid as an adult, good on you!!! Needles do not bother me in the least either. I show them a strong vein and watch the whole process, lol. What was that shot we had as kids in the school gym anyway?? I remember it left a strange mark on our arms?! Does anyone remember that?? bella tx
  • Way back in the days I was in school they gave what was called a Schick test. the needle was just placed under the skin. It was to see if you were susceptable to diphtheria. I remember they looked for a reaction. Could that have been it?~~sandy
  • Wasn't that the small pox vaccine where they put this stuff on your arm then made scratches on the skin so it absorbed? I had this round funny scab that left a permanent mark after it fell off. My mom always had her mark too..........Cettie
  • All I know is I'm probably one of the only people in America who does not have that mark! ~i&b
  • LMAO ingy...no, you probably don't!!! Cettie...I think that's it! It was a round mark w/ what looked like various needle marks on the upper left arm. Many kids had the scar, but I either didn't scar or didn't get the shot. I was in grade school in the 70s, this must have been what it was. Yikes sandy...that one sounds wicked, ingy's brother would have had fun describing THAT one to her, lol!! bella tx
  • Mean brother, Ingy! Did he ever feel bad? Kind of like Eddie Haskell would do to the Beaver! ~~Bonk~~
  • I don't know if he ever knew I fainted. Knowing me, I probably never told my family what happened when I got home from school that afternoon! ~i&b
  • Yes, smallpox is the circle on your arm. I can still find mine if I look. We called it a ''birdie.'' cc
  • Ahhh, thanks cc! Then smallpox it was!! bella tx
  • LOL Ingy! That is hilarious! I still remember going into our school auditorium for that shot too! I was hysterical, because they were using some devise or machine to administer the shots, and I could hear it make a clicking noise, which to a first grader sounded like torture to the body. When I reached the front of the aisle, I let out such a piercing scream accompanied by a loud unhinged kind of wailing, that several nurses and teachers and who-konws-who-else came bustling over to try to 'console' (i.e. shut me up), before I set off a mass hysteria in that place. As it was several children near me had already started matching their wails to mine. I had a faintest remnant of the tell-tell mark on my right arm until recently, but it's all but disappeared now. Your story has me cracking up though. Passed out?? Well at least you went quietly and didn't start a mass panic. ~~misspm

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    Posted by: Cettie
    Date posted: Fri Apr 25 15:21:57 2008
    Message:
    I found it bizarre that I as an adult had to get a booster shot for the MMR in 2004 because I worked in a nursing home. They got to the point with some of us that we either got the shot or left that job. My mom made sure I got the shots as a young child and I caught measles and rubella anyway, among other things.

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  • Cettie...same w/ me....we were vaccinated, but I believe I had the Measles and the Mumps! I guess I understand why you may need one in a nursing home...but if you had the diseases as a child, can you get them again?? bella tx
  • I was always told you couldn't but I don't know for sure. The truly weird thing was that I didn't get the mumps at all as a child, instead I caught it when I was 35 years old. I still remember being really sick with them that August just three months after I got married. They told me not to put ice packs on the mumps --which were the only thing that seemed to help the pain----because they would 'go down and make you sterile'. Don't know if that's an old wives tale too or not but I used ice packs anyway. I wasn't planning to have kids anyway so if it was true that was ok with me...............Cettie
  • LOL at Cettie using the mumps as birth control! ~i&b
  • ROFL at Cettie's birth control method!!! Bring on the ice packs :) bella tx

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