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Subject: I agree with much of what you have said, Mr. B. H. I wonder if these people know that we indeed have Muslim congressmen. I think the far right is very scary. Sadly, I believe that Sarah Palin was chosen to pander to these people. And that's a deal breaker for me./mm
Response Posted by: maggimae
Date Posted: Mon Oct 13 18:12:53 2008
Message:
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Subject: It goes without saying that there are uneducated people, there are stupid people and there are just plain gullible people in this world. The problem is, loud mouthed stupid people make the news. Polite and respectful people do not. These jerks forget that they have Muslim heros named Muhammed Ali and Kareem Abduhl-Jabbar. They ogle supermodel Iman. But they're not afraid of these people. At the same time, anyone assuming that all Republicans are this bigoted are making the very same mistake as those dopes who believe all Muslims are terrorists.
Response Posted by: Tosca
Date Posted: Mon Oct 13 22:30:11 2008
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Subject: I don't see any generalizations about Republicans in this thread, only concern that the Republican campaign has encouraged some ignorant people to spew hatred and expect that a McCain presidency will act upon that hatred. And McCain/Palin are playing good cop/bad cop to lead them on, not speaking out against such xenophobia and slander, let alone retracting their exaggerations of Sen. Obama's acquaintance with a terrorist or their false allegations that he ''lied'' or ''supports comprehensive sex education for kindergarteners.''
Response Posted by: Brhannada^sArmour
Date Posted: Tue Oct 14 1:28:18 2008
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Subject: The title of the post is ''Who are McCain's supporters?'' not who are ''some of McCain's supporters''
Response Posted by: Tosca
Date Posted: Tue Oct 14 6:06:06 2008
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Subject: Extremists of any kind concern me, whether they are far left or far right. Palin doesn't worry me and I do not believe her personal beliefs will bring down Roe v Wade any more that I believe that Joe Biden really believes he heard a TV report that aired in 1929. It is important to me that the candidate has personal integrity and a strong faith. As the Surgeon General, C Everett Koop, also a strong Christian, was instrumental in getting much needed AIDS programs and policies back when there was still the perception of it being a disease only acquired by irresponsible sexual practices or ''lifestyle''. He was strongly criticized for his work, and his answer was that he is the Surgeon General for all of the people, not just the people he agrees with (paraphrase). I do think we have 4 candidates that have strong convictions, and are also able to abide by the Constitution and the laws of the land. I want someone in the White House that has my back during a crisis of any kind. I want someone who can blink out the morse code, while simultaneously talking to an interviewer. That is a resourceful, creative man who will do everything in his power to not let us down. Obama has not gone through the ranks so that we have been able to what he can do, not what he says he can do; or see what he is made of, rather than what he says he is made of. While I believe he is a great speaker and very charismatic, I don't feel that he has earned the White House just because he has been in our living rooms for the last 20 months talking about change, or has the resources and endorsement of one of the most powerful women on the planet. I feel I have a much better picture of McCain, warts and all. Obama simply has not been around long enough to view him through the test of time.
Response Posted by: Zoe
Date Posted: Tue Oct 14 15:45:15 2008
Message:
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Subject: McCain has the experience...BO does NOT...foreign powers will eat BO's lunch and OURS !!!!
Response Posted by: BessBeau
Date Posted: Sat Oct 18 21:07:12 2008
Message:
He is VERY naive and not very savvy !!!!**
Subject: I respectfully suggest that neither of you have been watching Obama very carefully during this campaign, nor have you taken the trouble to look at his record in the Illinois state senate, nor do you take into consideration that he chose a governing partner with MORE *experience* than McCain. Be careful what you wish for, because you might just wind up with President Know-Nothing Palin. eom/D
Response Posted by: dolphina
Date Posted: Mon Oct 20 10:57:59 2008
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Subject: Saying that you are ''respectfully'' submitting does not invalidate the disrespectful and pejorative manner in which you share your views. More often than not there is nothing respectful in your responses to views you do not agree with. Please do not accuse people on this board of not researching as thoroughly as you do. I have researched much of what you have posted about the real McCain and found most of the info you posted on anti-McCain sites that have a radical bent. You have stated that you researched everything, including checking with factcheck.org, but the only topics in your post that are addressed on factcheck.org are the incidents regarding the Forrestal, as well as allegations that McCain was responsible for 5 crashed airplanes and the deaths of countless others. All of these allegations are false. No one owes you an explanation for anything; yet I will post the rebuttal in the appropriate topic above if that will make you happy, but frankly, I have resisted doing so, because I suspect it will make no difference and only give you fodder for more accusations and ridicule. I do not want to see Obama as President; however, if he is the choice of the American people, he will be MY President and I will support that choice. I will not call him names, just as I will not call his supporters and advisors names. I am tired of hearing you call people stupid or uninformed because they do not agree with your point of view, which, apparently is the ONLY point of view you respect on this board. You speak of tolerance, but you seem to only be tolerant of those who agree with you. I am sure I have provided more material for you to ridicule, but when I came to the ''Personal Topics'' board 2 weeks ago, I assumed it was a ''Discussion Board'' and not a place to ridicule those who do not share your views. There are some fun, thought-provoking, intelligent people on this board and they all deserve to be treated with respect. RESPECT - ''Maybe that word doesn't mean what you think it means...'' - Inego Montoya/Princess Bride
Response Posted by: Zoe
Date Posted: Tue Oct 21 20:11:50 2008
Message:
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Subject: Well said, friend./mm
Response Posted by: maggimae
Date Posted: Tue Oct 21 23:49:27 2008
Message:
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Subject: Wow, it looks as though I struck a nerve and you're obsessed with me (I just thought I would talk to you on your own level, although I can't quite bring myself to call you names) eom/D
Response Posted by: Margaux
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 0:30:21 2008
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Subject: Dolphina, you never disappoint. Let's stick to the facts instead of going for the ''I'm rubber, you're glue'' strategy.
Response Posted by: Zoe
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 0:45:30 2008
Message:
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Subject: Funny, that's what I kept saying, if you remember. I thought you and mm preferred to *discuss* on this level. I learned it from mm. eom/D
Response Posted by: Margaux
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 1:19:58 2008
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Subject: You claim it's facts that you want, so facts you shall have. If you will refer back to that earlier thread, you will find that I said I had researched MOST of what's in that article, not ALL of it. I also did not mention factcheck.org in reference to it. Further, I don't believe the article claims McCain was responsible for wrecking five navy planes. If I'm not mistaken, the article credits him with wrecking TWO navy planes, plus the one that crashed in Viet Nam. Still, I would be interested in seeing whatever rebuttal you have, to confirm your accusation of *lies and innuendo.* eom/D
Response Posted by: Margaux
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 2:21:46 2008
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Subject: I am trying to remember when it was that you asked for the facts. I recall you ''defying'' anyone to a refute the ''considerable research and use of my fully-functional brain'' and that the fact that no one took on your challenge to ''defy'' you, resulted in them being called ''pathetic'' or anyone who does not embrace your view as you had hoped is dismissed with, ''I don't have to rely on the sort of ignorant non-sequiturs that characterize your posts in this thread''. You have invited us all to ''just look at the blithering twit that is Sarah Palin''. How is any of that productive? You refuse to take ownership of your words to mm in the first paragraph of your post, ''Maggimae, I trust there are sufficient attributions in the following article to satisfy even your exacting standards''. To refer to mm as ''her ladyship'' and say ''I do accept your apology, but I'm still utterly mystified as to what prompted the comment'', just falls short. I am very sorry to say that kind of consistant inflammatory language does fit the description of an internet troll. I should not have gloated over the fact that you cannot vote. That was hurtful and I apologize. I tend to believe that would not have made much difference overall, but at least I would have kept my side of the street clean.
Response Posted by: Zoe
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 2:22:52 2008
Message:
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Subject: reply inside >>>
Response Posted by: dolphina
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 8:39:24 2008
Message:

Zoe, there seems to be a willful distortion of events happening in your mind.  Allow me to clarify.

 

"I am trying to remember when it was that you asked for the facts. "

It was YOU who asked for facts, in a post about one inch above this one.  "Let's stick to the facts instead of going for the ''I'm rubber, you're glue'' strategy."  (although that was mm's and your strategy throughout that earlier topic)

 

I recall you ''defying'' anyone to a refute the ''considerable research and use of my fully-functional brain''

You recall incorrectly.  What I did repeatedly was to INVITE those who characterized the article as "lies and innuendo" to justify their statements.  The only time I "defied" anyone about anything was to point to ANY Op-Ed piece that isn't colored by bias. 

 

" and that the fact that no one took on your challenge to ''defy'' you, resulted in them being called ''pathetic'' or anyone who does not embrace your view as you had hoped is dismissed with, ''I don't have to rely on the sort of ignorant non-sequiturs that characterize your posts in this thread''. "

Wrong again.  I only referred to mm as "pathetic" and it was precisely for employing ignorant non-sequiturs such as "I guess I struck a nerve, LOL" (about my alleged lack of concern for national security) and "You're obsessed with me".... because that's exactly what they are.  No one was called pathetic for not embracing my views.  No one.

 

"You have invited us all to ''just look at the blithering twit that is Sarah Palin''. How is any of that productive? "

We have a candidate who could possibly become leader of the free world, and she is unable to answer softball questions about such basic political issues as Supreme Court decisions (she couldn't name even ONE), a war we are in the midst of, the Bush Doctrine, or even what news sources she reads.  Plus she seems to honestly believe that living near to Russia somehow endows her with foreign policy expertise.  If that's not a blithering twit, what is?  When did lack of intellect become a recommendation in our political system?

 

"You refuse to take ownership of your words to mm in the first paragraph of your post, ''Maggimae, I trust there are sufficient attributions in the following article to satisfy even your exacting standards''."

Oh, but I do take ownership.  Absolutely.  That comment was the direct result of mm's haughty response to me in another topic, about not providing sufficient source material.  I was called "not creditible" and "shameful"

 

 "To refer to mm as ''her ladyship'' and say ''I do accept your apology, but I'm still utterly mystified as to what prompted the comment'', just falls short."

I remain mystified, too.  I believe that mm re-thought her comment "She's not even a U. S. citizen so keeping out country safe from terrorists is not a priority for her" and regrets it, but that doesn't stop me from wondering where it came from.  You seemed to enjoy it.

 

"I am very sorry to say that kind of consistant inflammatory language does fit the description of an internet troll. I should not have gloated over the fact that you cannot vote. That was hurtful and I apologize. I tend to believe that would not have made much difference overall, but at least I would have kept my side of the street clean. "

I hope the above will help to clear up any misconceptions about what was said, when, and by whom.  I also thank you for your apology, qualified though it may be.

 


Subject: Again with the insults. FYI, it is not considered taking full ownership for a cutting remark by saying in essence, 'she started it'. The passive agressiveness that you exhibit seems to be almost a part of your DNA. As I said in an earlier post, you do not have ears to hear. I get that you want to be heard and I relied on your own words, by cutting and pasting, but of course, in your view, I am the one who has willfully distorted your words. I was going to suggest that you go back and read some of the things you have posted in the topic above, but it wouldn't make a bit of difference. I hope, for your sake that this is not how you talk to people apart from your anonymity as Dolphina/Margaux.
Response Posted by: Zoe
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 11:17:39 2008
Message:
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Subject: I've had about enough of you for now, Zoe. I would ask you to point out what sequence of events and what quotes I've presented incorrectly, but you won't be able to do that either. If you're looking for me to say that I react harshly to false, illogical accusations and foolishness.... YES, I will absolutely cop to that. eom/D
Response Posted by: dolphina
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 12:24:11 2008
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Subject: My suggestion to you, in all seriousness and without malice, is long term professional help. I wish you well. - Zoe
Response Posted by: Zoe
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 12:30:10 2008
Message:
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Subject: Oh, really. How nice. Would you like it if I made a constructive suggestion that you seek treatment for Alzheimer's disease? Talk about crossing lines! eom/D
Response Posted by: dolphina
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 12:54:25 2008
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Subject: Zoe, this board used to be a pleasant place to visit, with posters who respected each other. It isn't anymore, thanks to me. And for that, I am truly sorry./mm
Response Posted by: maggimae
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 14:56:59 2008
Message:
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Subject: I don't think it is because of you. Do you feel I crossed the line?
Response Posted by: Zoe
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 15:43:17 2008
Message:
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Subject: Not at all, Zoe. The reason I blame myself is that I started the thread about Sarah Palin. The thread was quickly hijacked to be an attack on John McCain. I enjoy discussions, debates not so much./mm
Response Posted by: maggimae
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 15:56:30 2008
Message:
eom
Subject: Don't worry about it, Zoe. It's perfectly acceptable to give out an unsolicited amateur psychiatric diagnosis in a public place. No problem. Just as it's OK to dismiss as irrelevent someone who wasn't born in this country, or - if the reports I've read are true - insult all lawyers including those who might be posters here, and make fun of someone else's customs, eating habits or whatever and give him a dismissive nickname. Making personal attacks is sooo much preferable to systematically addressing specific issues of contention. Have fun with it! eom/D
Response Posted by: dolphina
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 18:13:14 2008
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Subject: Thanks for pointing out my shortcomings, Dolphina. I'll try to work on them./mm
Response Posted by: maggimae
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 19:18:06 2008
Message:
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Subject: I don't think I even went to the Sarah Palin thread, mm. I have watched ATWT since the 70's, but I really haven't watched the show very consistantly for a while. I went to the board just looking for spoilers to see if there would be anything good coming up on the show. I think I was really just looking for an excuse to start watching again. There have been too many changes and characters I don't really know or care about. I have been posting off and on since about the late 90's, if I am not mistaken, and had never gone to the Personal Discussion board. Anyway, I wound up in a thread regarding the election, that was taken down the following Monday morning. I jumped over to the Personal Discussion board wondering what happened and, well you know the rest. Like I said earlier, all we can really do is keep our own side of the street clean. I do think the economic climate and the election has us all on edge and it seems to bring out the worst in us at times.
Response Posted by: Zoe
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 20:24:18 2008
Message:
zzz
Subject: Yes, well, we got a lot of new posters on this board. And I guess you have to take the good with the bad. I try not to rise to the bait, but periodically I do. I do agree that everyone is very edgy right now. It is in part due to the election and also because of the economy. At the end of the day, though, I pour myself a drink and sit out and watch the sunset and am very thankful for everything I have. And that includes new friends like you./mm
Response Posted by: maggimae
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 20:32:46 2008
Message:
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Subject: Sounds like the perfect way to end the day, my friend. Cheers!
Response Posted by: Zoe
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 20:40:39 2008
Message:
zzzz
Subject: OK, I stand corrected! I did go to the Sarah Palin thread and even posted there! Sheesh! Maybe I do need to go get checked for Alzheimer's...
Response Posted by: Zoe
Date Posted: Wed Oct 22 20:55:38 2008
Message:
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