Topic: An email I received and my reply...Political
Topic Posted by: Shea
Date Posted: Sun Sep 21 16:32:01 2008
Additional Comments:
The email I received is first nd my reply follows.
Obama by Bill Brown of the Billy Graham Team Bill Brown, is a highly respected retired member of the Billy Graham team.Hope this email informs you in a wise way.
The Obama Tidal Wave We are witnessing a political phenomenon with Barack Obama of rare magnitude.
His speeches have inspired millions and yet most of his followers have no idea of what he stands for except platitudes of 'Change' or that he says he will be a 'Uniter'.
The power of speech from a charismatic person truly can be a powerful thing. Certainly Billy Graham had charisma. Both his manner of speech and particularly the content changed millions.
On the extreme other hand, the charisma of Adolph Hitler, too, inspired millions and the results were catastrophic.
Barack Obama certainly is no Hitler or a Billy Graham, but for many Americans riding on the Obama Tidal Wave it is just like a surfer who might be ecstatic and euphoric while riding a tidal wave, but the reality of the ride is what happens when it hits shore.
Just Some of What Defines Barack Obama:
He voted for partial birth abortion. He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government (quotas).. In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing as being too severe. Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as minimum wage affair. Admitted his use of marijuana and cocaine in high school and in college. His religious convictions are very murky. He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have aconference with all Muslim nations. Why? Opposed the Patriot Act. First bill he signed that was ever passed was campaign finance reform.. Voted to allow law suits against gun manufacturers. Supports universal health-care. Voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants. Voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform. Voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. Wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'. Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes. (241 votes Demo, 10 votes Republican) Is a big believer in the separation of church and state.
Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid into Soc. Sec. Tax Increase. He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax which now hits middle income brackets. Tax Increase. He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax.. Tax Increase. He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax. Tax Increase. Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded...which is not true. He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that takessome doing.
If your political choices are consistent with Barack Obama's and you think that his positions will bring America together or make it a better place, then you will probably enjoy the ride and not forward this Email. If you are like most Americans that after examining what he stands for, are truly not in line with his record, it would be prudent to get off the wave or better yet, never get on, before it comes on shore and undermines the very foundations of this great Country. We have limited time to save America or the Supreme Court as we know it.
Inaction is action. If you agree this is important, pass it on. The mainstream media will not do it for you!
Bill Brown Billy Graham Team, Retired
Below is my reply to the above.
The Other Side of the Coin
Everyone knows there are two sides to any story. So let's take a look at things from the other side.
Obama has been using the platform of change from the start of his campaign. Recently McCain has started running ads promoting change. Now isn't that original?
As for abortion, McCain/Palin would like to make abortion illegal unless the life of the mother is endangered.
So ask yourself this - if your daughter were raped would you want her to have to carry that baby? If your granddaughter were molested by her father or brother or other close male relative, would you want her to have to carry that baby?
Has everyone forgotten how things really were when abortions were illegal? It did not stop abortions. It only resulted in abortions being done by quacks or self-induced abortions that often had tragic consequences. Would you want your daughter or granddaughter going to a quack or trying to abort a baby by using a coat hanger?
Was Sarah Palin attempting a self-induced abortion after her membranes ruptured (water broke) while she was at an energy conference in Texas? Would any sane woman get on an airplane for an eight hour flight in such a condition knowing that she might be going into premature labor and that her unborn baby had Down's Syndrome. Down's Syndrome babies' often have other health problems in addition to mental retardation. Would a sane woman not notify the airplane crew of her condition? Would a sane woman after landing in the largest city in Alaska with several fine hospitals, pass those hospitals by and instead undergo a 45 minute ride to a tiny hospital in a small town without a neonatal intensive care unit? Her actions could have easily resulted in the death of her baby unless she wasn't really pregnant when she boarded that plane. I am not saying that she covered up her daughter's pregnancy but some things just don't add up.
Her daughter was absent from school for 5 or 6 months with an alleged case of mono. She was also reported by fellow students to have been wearing loose clothing before she had to leave school. A smoking gun? Hardly, but evidently during this terrible case of mono she was well enough to become pregnant. And isn't it convenient that she is just 5 months pregnant? Just pregnant enough that she couldn't have given birth in April but not so pregnant that it would be strange for her to suffer a miscarriage.
Then there is the fact that Gov. Palin kept her pregnancy a secret until her 7th month. Of course, she may have just wanted her privacy but isn't it kind of strange that people she worked with everyday didn't notice anything prior to her announcement?
Considering all of the above, is this a woman who should be a heartbeat away from the Presidency of the United States of America? At best she used extremely poor judgement which could have resulted in the death of her baby. At worst, she plotted a cover-up of her daughter's pregnancy and now has had to cover-up a cover-up. In either instance, this isn't the kind of person that should be 2nd in command of our country.
Now on to another subject. The author of the original email that prompted this reply seems to take issue with the minimum wage being a living wage. So are workers supposed to keep trying to live on a salary that doesn't even meet their basic living expenses? Consider the following scenario: You are a single mother or father with 3 children bringing home $1460.00 monthly and you have to pay the following expenses:
Rent - $600
Electric bill - $166 (averaged from experience during a 12 month period)
Phone bill - $35 (basic no frills service)
Water bill - $35 (based on moderate usage in an area with relatively low rates)
Grocery bill - $300 (I suspect this is at least 25% less than the real cost would be)
Car insurance - $35 (basic liability for one car at the lowest limits required)
Gasoline - $112 (calculated cost at $3.50 per gallon for a car with a 16 gallon tank being driven 800 miles monthly that averages 25 mpg. driven 25 miles a day)
The above expenses total $1283 and do not include expenses such as clothing, medicine, school supplies, automobile maintenance, home repairs, child care, or any non-essentials such as cable television. The above expenses are also significantly higher in some parts of the country.
So after paying the expenses above this hypothetical family of 4 would have left a grand total of $177.
Now consider this: the salary above is what a worker making $10 an hour working 40 hours per week brings home. Minimum wage is currently only $6.55 with a bring home pay of $968 monthly. So after working 160 hours per month the worker above is $315 short of meeting their basic expenses. What do they cut out? Food or the electricity? Maybe they can just pay half the rent and eat but then the landlord might not like that and they will probably be evicted. Then since they can't provide a proper home for their children Social Services will probably take their children away.
Would YOU feel like working if all you're doing every month is getting further and further behind.
So the next time you cash your check, pay your bills and still have plenty of money left; remember it isn't that way for most people.
Think about those people when you sit down to a restaurant meal that costs more than what some people spend to eat on for a week.
I won't even get into all the other issues or I would be typing all night but I am sure you can see that most Americans can't afford to live on minimum wage or even on $10 an hour and they can't afford to vote for McCain/Palin.
Replies welcome.
jeanniet@ec.rr.com
Posted by: maggimae Date posted: Mon Sep 22 19:00:55 2008
Message: I checked the Bill Brown email out on Snopes.com and it was not written by the Bill Brown who is not an associate of Billy Graham.
Posted by: I'm just sayin' Date posted: Mon Sep 22 10:03:19 2008
Message:
Don't know who I'm voting for yet. But I thought it was clear that Palin wasn't covering up her daughter's pregnancy because the girl is pregnant now and it's medically impossible that she could be so far along now if she delivered 5 months ago. I wish that rumor would just die. I really don't know what went on with Palin's 5th pregnancy and what went on in her head during the pregnancy but that's her business, not mine. And it doesn't become my business just because she's on the ticket. The public decided a long time ago that the personal business of a candidate or politician doesn't always matter (think Bill and Monica; it was apparently ok if he had sex with her in the Oval office, as long as he was running the country well)
I agree w/Obama that illegals should be able to have a driver's license. They're driving anyway, so we might as well make them legal, and it might be a little easier to keep track of them . Moreover, they might be safer drivers if they have to pass drivers tests. And if there are illegals who aren't driving, maybe they could get better jobs if they did have a license and could get to the better jobs.
I would love to be able to take care of all the poor, let the illegals collect welfare, etc. But hey, I don't have enough money myself to do all that. Obama's heart is in the right place, but I don't think he's being realistic. Where is the money coming from? You and me! I'm sorry, but if someone chooses to come here illegally, they can't get the whole piece of the pie by collecting welfare. Minimum wage? If you can't make it on minimum wage, do what we all did--- get a second job, find something better; work up to something better. Minimum wage jobs are starter jobs. If we raise minimum wage, who will pay for that? We will - by paying higher prices for services, by paying more money for fries and a burger. Whenever politicians make promises to pay more, offer more services (including health care), that money is coming from you and me ! There is no money in the coffers of government. We were in the red before last week and now we're 7 billion MORE in the red. Who's paying for the bailouts? You and me?
Death taxes- don't get me started on that. A man or woman can work an entire lifetime, paying income taxes on money earned. And any money saved is also taxed because it might earn interest. Any money invested is taxed because of interest. And if you sell investments, they're taxed yet again because they might have earned interest. So when you die, whatever's left is TAXED YET AGAIN so the money or property you thought you were leaving your kids or grandkids is now virtually nothing. The kids have to take whatever it was you left them and cash it in to pay taxes. Before the present tax repeal (ending in 2010, I think) the government could take up to 55% of what you left to your kids. That meant families had to sell the family business because half of it was owed to Uncle Sam. That meant that families had to sell off farms for McMansions because they needed the cash to pay death taxes. Can you imagine if your father left you 100K after a lifetime of hard work, and you had to turn around and write a check to George Bush for 55K? That would really p!ss me off, so I understand why so many people are against death taxes. The government shouldn't be taxing the same money so many times.
I am pro-choice but wouldn't NOT vote for the Republican ticket on that issue alone. I highly doubt Roe v Wade will ever be voted out at this point. My concerns are tied into the war, the economy and fuel. My vote will come down to which candidate has the most cogent and feasible suggestions on how to deal with these three issues.
McCain's platform of change isn't new. His reputation of a "maverick", while annoyingly repeated, is longstanding. He's so different than Bush, he would provide change just as Obama would. I don't see him as "another Bush", as the Obama people try to paint him. I think what is new this year is that the Republicans HAVE to show their candidates will change because nobody's happy with the present regime.
Personally, I wish that Hillary were the democratic candidate. I have more confidence in her as a leader than Obama. Yes, Palin doesn't have much experience, but truly, Obama has no more -- maybe even less executive experience, and HE'S running for the top spot, not as VP. I'm also distressed that there are people voting for the McCain ticket just because Palin is a woman --- no interest in where they stand on issues. Similarly, we know people will vote for Obama simply because he's black. Or simply because he's making promises he might not be able to keep in this economy.
Should be an interesting couple of weeks leading up to the election
Posted by: Brhannada^sArmour Date posted: Sun Sep 21 21:26:33 2008
Message: Nice work, Shea!
I'm not Christian, but didn't Jesus Christ have a soft spot for the poor? Didn't he extend his miracles to a Canaanite woman who wasn't part of his divine mandate? Didn't he preach that one should love one's NEIGHBOUR as one's self, including turning the other cheek and giving up one's cloak also? How can any self-professed Christian oppose a decent minimum wage, affirmative action, and sharing health care and Social Security with illegal immigrants? As for tax increases, didn't Jesus Christ say, ''Give to Caesar what is Caesar's?''
Read your Bible, Bill Brown! Or, if that's too difficult a reading level, check out www.thebricktestament.com
Posted by: Barb Date posted: Sun Sep 21 18:31:06 2008
Message: I try to avoid political discussions but I will ask your opinion on a "botched" abortion that took place recently here in my hometown. The baby was ALIVE when aborted-what would you do? Kill it or try to save it(probably too far gone to save but the child WAS breathing). Strange ethical decision.
Posted by: dolphina Date posted: Sun Sep 21 18:10:16 2008
Message:
Great work! And you didn't even mention all those "negatives" in the original email that just happen to be in the Constitution. Or the number of McCain's votes that have betrayed the best interests of his fellows serving in the military. Or the fact that McCain's entire campaign has been based on his brilliant "strategy" for "the surge," when any half-wit could have figured out that sending in a bunch more troops and weapons would naturally calm things down in Iraq. Temporarily. Have the GOALS of the surge been met? No, of course not.