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Topic: Michelle getting off Air Force One
Topic Posted by: Lyrica
Date Posted: Fri Nov 6 18:44:59 2009
Additional Comments: Yes, she had been on vacation but she had also had time to change on the plane into something more reflective of the dignity of her husband's office. I have seen this picture juxtaposed with one of Laura Bush getting off Air Force One in a neat, sporty looking outfit and it was obvious who looked more like a First Lady. It seems that Michelle wants to flout tradition just to prove she can and that SHE doesn't have to maintain the dignity that has always been a hallmark of the First Lady.
Posted by: Mrs. B. Harris Date posted: Tue Nov 10 9:10:48 2009
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Posted by: maggimae Date posted: Sun Nov 8 14:57:45 2009
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MM, you seem like that fairest of all these Obama worshipers, so I can't understand why you would ''hesitate to criticize her or compare her to Laura Bush''. Actually, I used Laura Bush only because of all the Bush-haters here. I should have compared her to ANY of the former first ladies who, evidently, knew more about the duties of being the wife of what some would consider the most powerful man in the world.
I voted for John McCain, but support our President. I get fed up with the picky little things he is criticized for. Now big things, like cutting Medicare and not addressing the Afghan issue I am not happy about. Still, I want to give him the time to work on these things and I wish him success./mm
Posted by: silver Date posted: Sun Nov 8 14:23:07 2009
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If you believe that she is dressed appropriately for a first lady getting off Air Force One, then please do continue. I wouldn't dream of trying to change your mind.
If Ms Obama is getting off Air Force One in front of Buckingham Palace, then she is wrong to wear shorts. But I suspect the plane in parked at some airport in DC, away from dignitaries but still too close to Fox News. LOL Just so you know, I think her clothing choices are on the money only about 60% of the time. I hate argyle, hate gathered skirts on anyone other than square dancers or girls under the age of 11. I thought Laura Bush was well put together for what she is - a librarian. Hillary Clinton was an ever-changing mess. Barbara Bush was defined by her pearls. Nancy Regan was uninspired red, but nothing offensive. Roselynn Carter was a farm girl. Betty Ford was uninspired. Pat Nixon was a stiff tragedy, I always felt sorry for her. Lady Bird was Texas in fresh water pearls, Jackie O was elegant, Mamie wore bangs FTLOG, and Bess Truman was from Missouri and it showed. I'll bet they all went casual on vacation. Maybe even shorts for some. I suspect you object to Air Force One in the background. Perhaps Ms Obama should have taken a bus. eom/silver
This doesn't have anything to do with ''what she wore on vacation''. She should have changed on the plane into something more appropriate for alighting from Air Force One, plain and simple. Whatever else the previous first ladies were, they seemed to be aware of etiquette. I see no reason for the lowering of standards because no one dared, evidently, point out the error to her. They should be treated just like any other presidential couple, no ''special'' consideration.
As silver pointed out, there are some who will never treat Mrs. Obama just like any other First Lady. Case in point, the snide criticism of her for dressing exactly the same way as all other First Ladies dress for a papal audience. Gee, I wonder why she was singled out that way. eom/D
So shorts would be okay if she were getting off a bus? eom/silver
As I said, silver, if you think she was dressed appropriately for a first lady, take it and run with it. And, D, I didn't see the particular criticism you mention about the papal audience. All I've heard is a constant drumbeat every time she goes to Europe about how she ''wows'' them all with her sense of style. I see nothing that spectacular about her ''style'' but then I am not desperately seeking to demonstate how ultra-liberal I am.
You're *desperately seeking* something though, aren't you. eom/D
Thanks Lyrica, you've finally revealed your true colors with that ''ultra liberal'' comment. There are black people in the White House (who weren't hired to clean up) and it is eating you alive! I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you've nailed it for me. LOL!!! Black people sleeping where no one but white people slept before. I bet you think they've got a big ol' pot of chitlins simmering on the stove. You poor thing. LOL!! (Mrs. B. H.)
Low blow, Mrs. BH. Not all people who criticize the president or his wife are racists./mm
No, they aren't. I have a good friend who is a Republican and anything but an Obama supporter. And she's the last person I'd say was racist. But I bet Lyrica is. That wasn't a low blow. It was a direct hit. (Mrs. B. H.)
Posted by: dolphina Date posted: Sat Nov 7 16:53:33 2009
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I don't see what one has to do with the other. And I really don't see why the intellect of a former president should be of any importance to anyone with all the other things we have to worry about./mm
And BTW, how the first lady dresses is of no importance to me either./mm
I also do not see what MO dressing slouchy has to do with Bush's intellect. Personally, I don't care how she dresses. Too much attention has been paid to what this woman wears every day anyway. Most of the time she looks very classy and elegant. I just don't see why anyone's priorities would even include Bush these days. Isn't that over? Roxie
So can we all agree that what Mrs. Obama is wearing in that photo is far too low a priority to warrant a sniping post? In the whole scheme of things, it's irrelevent. And I've got money that says our friend Lyrica found no fault with the previous administration, while inexlicably choosing to make a big deal out of this. eom/D
Again,what Lyrica thought of the previous administration is of no importance to me. I find it interesting that your response to any criticisim of the present administration is to harp back on the previous administration./mm
Lyrica has posted here twice about the Obamas, and both posts were based on comparisons to the Bushes. Did you somehow miss that? eom/D
Au contraire! I posted comparing the Obamas and Bushes because every time anything even slightly critical of Obama is mentioned liberals invariably invoke the name of Bush, as mm said. So which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Ah, of course. So then it makes sense to initiate posts of your own that draw the same comparison. Did you ever think that perhaps *liberals* do what they do because Bush was so appallingly bad in such disasterous ways that the use of a teleprompter or the choice of an outfit is less than insignificant in comparison? Besides, throughout Bush's presidency, conservatives never stopped yapping about Clinton, did they. That's just the way it works on both sides. eom/D
For that matter, lots of conservatives are still yapping about Carter. So you tell me about that chicken and egg thing. eom/D
So, how far do you want to go back with this chicken/egg scenario? ''That's just the way it works on both sides'' you said, and I agree. But only an ideologue would deny that Michelle was dressed inappropriately on this occasion. I suppose every one is so afraid of being branded racist if they don't find everything the Obamas do utterly charming.
I think Lyrica is right. Especially in the beginning of his term, his critiques were often branded as racists. And yes, I will admit that I feel Michelle O is dressed inappropriately in this picture. BUT, there are far more important issues to discuss than this. Also, D, I must apologize to you as I do see that the OP was comparing Mrs. Bush to Mrs. Obama./mm
That's OK, mm. For the record, I'd rather see the First Lady put together a little better in public as well. Had Lyrica not made her agenda so clear in her previous nonsense post, I probably wouldn't have batted an eye about the critique of Mrs. Obama's outfit. But since the agenda plainly is *Hunt for anything - no matter how insignificant or dishonest - to discredit the Obamas* this particular criticism rings very hollow. eom/D
Doesn't ALL criticism of the Obamas?
Sorry to disappoint you, but... no. There are absolutely some justified criticisms to be made of Obama's performance in office. However, 1) it bears considering what a gigantic pile of crap he was handed by his predecessor to deal with, 2) he hasn't even been in office for a full year yet, and 3) one should at least endeavor to limit one's criticisms to REAL issues that make some sense and are framed in a correct context. eom/D
I would be very interested to hear your ''justified'' criticisms of Obama's performance. And, of course, YOU are the one to decide what is, and is not, justified.
If I have time later, and feel like it, I will expand on this. However, you can be sure my criticisms won't include rubbish like him using a teleprompter or bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia or not appointing enough *czars* eom/D.
Surely, President Obama was aware of the problems he was intheriting. So I'm getting kind of tired of hearing this excuse./mm
Actually, not so much, mm. Obama accepted the Democrat party nomination in June 2008, and the financial industry house of cards didn't begin to fall until September. Of course there was trouble brewing, but the magnitude of it wasn't known. Remember, just days before everything went to hell McCain pronounced that the economy was sound. eom/D
Thank you, mm! Yes, Obama was well aware of what he would be inheriting and I'm tired of hearing that excuse, too. He knew the ''gigantic pile of crap'' awaiting him when he took office. It's a favorite excuse to use when there is no excuse. Roxie
Actually, when you look at the time frame from when he announced his candidacy and began to lead in the polls, it was long before the economy began to tank. A lot of this disaster happened only a few months before the November election. So Obama was much too far into the campaign and very close to winning the election when everything went to hell in a handbasket. Of course he could have dropped out when things went bad, but I don't get the impression that he's the kind of man to turn tail and run when situations become more difficult than anticipated. (Mrs. B. H.)
Can't believe that President Obama, intelligent as he is, would not forsee that he would have some problems. One of which is protecting this country from terrorism. I certainly hope he has time to see that this is being done./mm
Oh for heaven's sake! He certainly foresaw that he would have *some problems.* There's no question that the problems multiplied during the course of his campaign, particularly in the final months. eom/D
Well, let's just all assume that his crystal ball was in the shop. Dick Cheney probably shot it. (Mrs. B. H.)
Posted by: claire Date posted: Sat Nov 7 9:07:15 2009
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perhaps the purpose of this post was to show the lowering of standards which have heretofore been in place. regretfully so many standards have been lowered in recent years but one hoped that it would not extend into the first family. alas.
Claire, if McCain had won and Cindy got off the plane looking like this, I'm sure you wouldn't have thought a thing about it. Yeah, right!
really??? Well, sorry to disappoint you...I would feel EXACTLY the same. Mrs. McCain has excellent taste...as does our first lady and if she had just come back from vacation dressed the same way I would feel no different. After all...YOU are the ONE who criticized someone for dressing casually...not me!
LOL! Sure you would!
Lyrica...you're kind of a funny person, aren't you. What's with all the LOL's you like to post after someone's comment. I guess you do LAUGH OUT LOUD at lot, maybe??? See, personally, I have no political agenda. I'm a registered Independent voter. I voted Democratic in this last election. I just voted mostly Republican in our town election last week. I even voted for George Bush. I listen to a politician's ideas and if they follow my own...then they will get my vote. I will never register with one party or the other. So, you can keep LAUGHING OUT LOUD at whatever I say here...just try not to fall off your chair. I wouldn't want you hurt or anything.
in case I was not clear...when I mentioned *this last election* I meant the presidential one. The one I voted for Obama to win.
I don't understand your reference to ''all'' my LOLs. Please point out where I have used another LOL except after your amazing comment that you wouldn't have thought anything about Cindy McCain getting off Air Force One dressed like that.
I'm way too busy to bother looking up your LOL's from your past postings. But if you head over to a new one you just left for Dolphina, you will see one of them there.
Yep! That is ONE whole other ONE rather than the dozens you implied! And there are no ''past postings'' so being too busy to find them is surely not a problem for you.
come to think of it....I must have been totally wrong about how many LOL's you post because you are so darn serious! Do you really ever truly laugh at anything? I found your remark to me to be the height of rudeness when you inferred that I was lying about my comment regarding Cindy McCain. You don't know me...and I am sure glad I don't know you.
Posted by: Suellen Date posted: Fri Nov 6 20:32:09 2009
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Yes, that's one of the first daughters. She's eleven. Going to be very tall./mm
Posted by: dandyfop Date posted: Fri Nov 6 19:06:58 2009
Message: Dignity has nothing to do with the clothes a person wears.
Why don't you respond to that spam you posted a couple of threads up?
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as a dandyfop, i am sure that YOU would never dress this inappropriately
What kind of response did you require me to make to my own post?
Anon/Lyrica- how about some of your own original thoughts and not something you copied and pasted? /dandyfop
What possible difference does it make if it is copied and pasted if one agrees with the text?
Even when it's pointed out to you that the text is, in a number of cases, wrong? Or that it presents an incomplete, misleading picture? eom/D
The post actually was asking the question: ''would you approve?'' of various scenarios if it were Obama. The answer would be, of course, yes. Whatever was listed as what Bush did, it would have been totally accepted and understood had Obama done it. Obama has surrounded himself with questionable characters as Bush did but, except for Fox News, the media ignores that. And nearly every one of them had a ''tax'' problem but that is okay, too. Even Obama wisely decided to pay some old traffic tickets in 2007 (check snopes) from when he was in college. And, yes, Republicans have these problems, too----AND they are quickly pointed out by the media and basically ''overlooked'' in Obama's case. All the news stations except one are very selective in giving us the facts. Since he has all the others, he goes after Fox because they inform the audience of things we would never know otherwise. I am not talking about their ''opinion'' pieces which can be over the top, I am speaking of facts and of video clips which can be checked out and found to be true.
(anon to dandyfop) i was unaware that i had copied and pasted anything. and you have my original thought, that someone styling themselves as ''dandyfop'' would not dream of dressing as mrs. obama did coming off that plane.
Lyrica, your explanation just doesn't fly. Your other post asks ridiculous questions that obviously expect an awkward *no* answer. For instance (paraphrased) - *Obama has appointed 32 Czars. Would you have approved if Bush had done the same?* Only the most uninformed among us would be oblivious to the fact that Bush appointed MORE than that. So what's your point? 32 is bad, but MORE than 32 isn't? Or what about that ridiculous dig about Obama's use of a teleprompter? He's *the first* according to your post - but that's a lie. And what difference does it make if a speaker uses a teleprompter or index cards (as Bush preferred to do)? That post was nothing but a lot of rubbish, designed to manipulate fools into thinking badly of Obama. Since you've just stated you agree with what was in that post, I guess that makes you one of the easily manipulated. Which is typical of someone who believes they're learning much of *the truth* on Faux News. No news organization is completely unbiased - that's impossible - but Fox has operated under a clear conservative mandate from inception. Not only that, but they employ such an incredible pack of obnoxious idiots who out-and-out lie as easily as they breath. THIS is where you get your information? No wonder you can't recognize the obvious fabrications in your previous copy-and-pasted post. eom/D
If Fox has a ''clear conservative mandate'', that makes one station out of all the others with ''clear liberal mandates''. Evidently you don't want conservatives to have a voice at all. And if the liberal statons are all YOU listen to, then you are missing some things you might find disturbing.
As was discussed at some length in your other topic, the news media was generally pretty supportive of Bush for the first few years of his presidency. When has Fox News, in their infinite fairness, ever been supportive of anything about Obama? Maybe it's when a pack of them are lined up on a couch telling outright lies and laughing like hyenas? Yeah, that's what I call professionalism in reportage. Don't worry, I've exposed myself adequately Rupert Murdoch's personal agenda that all Fox News reporters and commentators must adhere to in order to keep their jobs. Enough memos have been leaked by enough whistle-blowers to confirm this. Bush Sr. wasn't recorded (unbeknownst to him at the time) referring to Roger Ailes as *our boy* for nothing. eom/D
Actually, Bill O'Reilly has taken criticism from the far right for being fair to Obama. When he does something O'Reilly considers the right thing to do, he points that out. You didn't address the disparity in the liberal stations vs. the ONE and ONLY conservative one. And liberals have the nerve to complain. One station, one only which espouses a different view of things and the left just can't stand it. It also so happens that Fox's ratings are far and away above any of the liberal stations. Must be more people than you think that don't want to be fed only liberal pablum which never contains a single question about even one of Obama's actions.
That's because IMO the ONE conservative news organization LIES more often than not. - and that's ain't *news.* Further, you are mistaken that no other news organizations question or show in a bad light anything Obama does. You should try actually watching one on occasion. eom/D
D, you are really snippy. I think from reading Lyrica's responses (not necessarily her originial posts), she seems quite intelligent. My guess is that she watches just as many news shows as you do. /mm
Personally, I am proud to have Fox news to watch, the ONLY conservative media outlet we have among a mass of liberal stations. Roxie
Actually, I just realized that for the most part Lyrica's responses are non-responses. Where's ANY response to my challenges to some of the idiotic *points* in her earlier post? Furthermore, Lyrica doesn't appear to have a single independent, original thought. The first post was copied and pasted from a mass-forward email (with no regard for accuracy), and she says this Michelle Obama picture was seen juxtaposed with one of Laura Bush. Why do I suspect that was also in some dopey email? Then we get her unfounded opinion about what *it seems Michelle wants.* Talk about presumption. What evidence is there in any of these posts of *intelligence*? I see a reasonably articulate poster who's - so far - displayed nothing in the way of independent thought or informed analysis. mm, I'd love to know what *intelligence* or knowledgability of the issues you perceive from these posts. eom/D
Roxie, when Fox News took an active part in organizing and promoting the *tea party* march on DC in September, they forfeited any right they may have previously had to be considered a *news* organization. You may find other networks' reporting to be biased, but they do not attempt to create and shape events. That's not journalism; it's something very differrent. eom/D
Oh yes D, other networks most certainly DO do their best to create and shape events and LIE. Do you not remember things like Dan Rather 'retiring' after the completely false pack of crap he reported on Bush and was busted for, for example? I don't know how you could say that with a straight face. Just because you want to believe what you hear on your news programs, doesn't make it true! Roxie
I suggest you think for a moment about the meaning of *create and shape events.* Then see if you can come up with an example that's relevant. Maybe you know of one, but I don't. As for Dan Rather, I think everyone knows he was fired by CBS. The disposition of his suit against them will hopefully determine whether or not his reporting was accurate. It should be an interesting case regardless of the outcome. eom/D
D, as I said in another thread, some channels are avoiding the use of the word ''massacre'' to describe the events at Fort Hood. They use the term ''attack'' or ''shooting.''' This is a subtle attempt to downplay what happened. It is finally coming out why. We are learning that the authorities were aware of him and the danger he posed. But nothing was done. Now there are aguments whether this is an act of terrorism. Interesting to see what spin the media puts on it and to speculate why. IMO they are definitely trying to shape what happens and influence how viewers feel about it./mm
I expect Intelligence and the military in general would prefer to downplay any negligence of which they might be guilty - at least until it becomes impossible to do so any longer. As for my earlier point about creating and shaping events, that's not what this is. You can't *create and shape* an event after the fact, you can only color public perception of it. All media does this, but I believe Fox News stands alone in *creating and shaping.* That's a line legitimate journalists don't cross. eom/D
Oh yes, events can be manipulated (shaped) after they happen./mm
