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Topic: Carly is angry


Topic Posted by: dolphina
Date Posted: Sat Nov 14 1:05:38 2009
Additional Comments: Carly is angry and she has every right to be, but angry is all she is. She hasn't shed a tear of sadness or heartbreak - not for her fiance, not for her sister. I find that interesting.




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Posted by: Miss Marple
Date posted: Sat Nov 14 16:20:46 2009
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I agree with everyone who posted on this excellent topic, but it would take too much time to resply to each post seperately, so I'll just say congrats on excellent responses to ALL.  I was so looking forward to Maura West's return and hoping for such great SLs.  But I do not like this Carly, and cannot look forward to an quickie reunion with Jack.

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Posted by: Allison
Date posted: Sat Nov 14 16:01:08 2009
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I know what Craig and Rosanna did was terribly wrong but I can't muster up much outrage or sympathy for Carly. Who gets engaged to her sister's ex husband in the first place? Craig has been married to Rosanna twice. If all the baby disasters hadn't gotten in the way (first poor baby Cabot and then poor baby Johnny) they'd probably still be married. Would folks be getting all worked up if Rosanna had been the one engaged to Jack only to find out he really wanted to get back with Carly? Hell, I bet most the board would blame Rosanna for getting involved with her sister's ex in the first place.

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  • I totally agree with your post! Thanks for posting a view point that is different than most on this board! eom/bf
  • Also, don't forget Carly's seduction of Mike K. when he was with Ro !! **
  • Who gets engaged to her sister's ex husband in the first place? What was Bob's relationship to Kim's sister when he and Kim conceived Sabrina? I'm a little foggy on that, but I could swear Bob was married to Kim's sister. And, if people didn't go around marrying the ex-spouses of family members, Brooke Logan on B&B would have run out of men a long time ago... (eom) Mandi
  • Ooooh, Mandi....Dr.Bob cheated on Jennifer with Kim. And let's not forget St.Katie married both the Snyder boys out of love. HECK, even Seth Snyder (one of the most virtuous men on soaps) wed his brother Holden's ex wife Angel. Craig does seem to have a special gift for ''keeping it'' in families. He's cut a swath through every set of female relations in Oakdale. Including two sets of mother/daughter (Lucinda/Sierra; Babs/Jen) and EVERY set of sisters I can remember save Em/Ali (which would be a double dipper since they're both sisters and mother/daughter) and Jan/Teri---who've barely been in town long enough to grab his attention. gallyn
  • I like to pretend my beloved Bob never did any of those awful things ;) Yes, crap happens on soaps that would never fly in the real world. As for B&B( forgive me fans of the program) just thinking about all the twisted relationships on that show makes me nauseous. eom/Allison

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    Posted by: pita
    Date posted: Sat Nov 14 12:51:14 2009
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    All the comments about how she should be bonding with her kids and taking some time to live with her feelings and understand the changes that are happening and come to terms with her feelings of loss or betrayal ... all that stuff ... is totally valid if Carly were a real person instead of a character at the mercy of a show that admits everything it does is to 'goose' ratings.

    All the characters suffer in the plot point vortex that eliminates or speeds right over any of the quieter, character enriching parts of the "story" ... these days "story" only means what happens not how anyone thinks or feels or changes. Oh, they will sandwich in a few key emotional scenes, but they can't be bothered anymore to craft the fabric that stitches all the 'happenings' together.

    In their rush to get the Carjack roadtrip started they've catapulted Carly right over almost all the stuff that would give her a post-rehab context. We got a cursory scene with each of her children, (well no mention of JJ), and then the disjointed scenes with Craig and Rosanna where we were supposed to believe she was committed to Craig and wanted a life with him and then, when betrayed, simply erupted in an anger that distanced her enough from them so she would have no strings or second thoughts about running after Jack to 'save' the father of her children. They inserted a couple of scenes of her telling Janet to man up and do it herself, and then when Janet didn't, that ostensibly left Carly to do the job.


    It's like a check list;

    Carly back - check

    Carly and Craig over -check

    Janet sidelined - check

    Jack bonkers - check

    Carly called in - check

    Jack and Carly out of town - check

    Old character review - check

    Jack and Carly on the road together - check

    It's sad, and it really knocks the heart out of soaps compared to how they once were, but these days it's all about the 'developments' and moving at a pace they think will match the attention span of an over stimulated audience. In the old days they would have taken time to build up to a major development like Carly and Jack finding themselves isolated together in emotionally vulnerable circumstances and by the time we all got there we'd be feeling what they are feeling. Maybe in the old days they would have spent between now and February bringing Carly and Jack closer together as they each struggled with the effects of the changes in their lives, in the relationships around them and in their understanding of themselves and maybe then, after a few key scenes during the holidays, by February sweeps they would have had this road-trip of risk and self-discovery for Jack, and Carly's place in it would actually be more integrated and make more sense, and maybe, just maybe, might not be built upon her chasing a distant, rejecting Jack yet again.

    But that's not how it's done anymore. First week of November Carly's back from being off the screen for 3 months and all this has to happen by the end of the month - they've got locations to work in, visiting and returning actors to work in, and some kind of ice-breaking of the Carjack detente. Whew! That's a lot to do in 3 -4 weeks. So, it looks like most of the stuff that would help all those elements make sense and hang together is just too much of a drag on the necessary speed and momentum to be included. We're being asked to believe without much help.

    It makes for a pretty thin gruel. As others stated, there's a lot missing and left to the imagination. I'm not really willing to fault the character for that, but rather the writers for not giving the character what it needs and deserves.

    With all that said, if they don't bother to fill in enough to really flesh out a different dynamic, and if it stays in the "Carly prostrates herself to reach a rejecting Jack" vein ... then I'll have had enough. I'm hoping they mean it when they say they want to change how it's been, and I'm hoping for a different ride, but even I can see we seem to be on the same on-ramp as usual.

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  • This is an excellent post pita. I often wonder if they don't understand that this type of writing not only does not accomplish the goal but undermines it- or if it is that they just don't care- they have a checklist just like yours and it does not matter how we get from A-Z as long as we get there quickly. I don't believe a carjack reunion will save the show if it is doomed- but I do believe a half-a$$ed reunion will only make happy the diehard fans who can stomach it and will disgust everyone else. If the show goes down at least someone will be happy./dandyfop

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    Posted by: gallyn
    Date posted: Sat Nov 14 11:04:56 2009
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    I get what you're saying---and there might be some significance to it.

    But I think that might be because she hasn't really been able to pour out her feelings with anyone either. And by that, I mean someone completely on her side. She's angry at Craig and Rosanna, and allowing herself to cry in front of them would be more humilation for her. Parker knows, but it's not really appropriate for her to lean on him and cry over it.

    My guess is that either Jack or Molly's gonna get weeped on at some point.

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  • She could care less about Craig and Ro...her ego may be ruffled, a little, but nothing major....she was NEVER in love with Craig. **
  • I agree with you, Gallyn.
  • First, I never said Carly ''loved'' Craig. I think theirs was a prime example of codependence. Second, Carly's anger is still justified, ''love-love'' or codependent love---we know when Carly left, BOTH of them felt committed to a relationship. A commitment Craig has now BETRAYED. I think that had he simply BEEN TRUTHFUL with her from the moment she came home, no matter how disappointed and upset she was that it was Rosanna, there wouldn't be this degree of rage. They BOTH kept lying to her....FCOL, Craig had the nerve to try and lie his way out of having a clearly distraught Rosanna IN HIS HOTEL ROOM. Carly feels humiliated. Her child knows, her extended family knows, even her freakin' Frenemy Jan knows. I think a lot of people would be EXTREMELY pissed, and have every right to feel that way. gallyn
  • Pissed kinda' like when Carly went after Mike K. when he was with Ro ? **

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    Posted by: silver
    Date posted: Sat Nov 14 10:00:20 2009
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    Carly is angry because she planned to dump Craig when she got home from rehab.  Craig beat her to it, so now her anger is justified, and she can play the wounded victim.  She never had any great love for Craig, not even wild affection.  As for Roseanna, she served her purpose taking care of the house & kids.  Carly never cared that much for her anyway, so no loss.  Carly's focus is Jack.  Always has been, always will be.  She should be home with her kids, but she is gallivanting down redemption road in some misguided quest to save Jack. 

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  • Excellent summary...Carly lowers herself time after time to get Jaaack's attention and is totally mistified when he rejects her, time after time...is she DENSE, or what ? **
  • From the actual dialogue when Carly got back, she did not plan to dump Craig. In fact, she wanted him to put the ring back on her finer.

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    Posted by: cjpsf
    Date posted: Sat Nov 14 8:30:15 2009
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    Carly hasn't been home..in that she's been running after Jack since she left rehab. She would have to actually slow down and sit down long enough to decide if she actually cares that she's lost the 2 folks she actually trusted. I don't think Carly was 'in love' with Craig. I think the anger she feels is, as I said, for the 2 people in the world she trusted. Aren't you 'hurt' and 'angry' when a trust is violated. She's not falling apart in gut wrenching sorrow for Craig and Ro had only been back a bit before Carly went to rehab, but she was drunk for most of it, so she hadn't gotten back into the sister thing...besides...Anger gives you strength sometimes, and Carly doesn't need to be falling apart so soon after being out of rehab. I'd much rather see her home with Sage and Parker, getting back into the business, etc. This story leaves much to the imagination. How is Carly living. Where is her income coming from. Is Metro doing so well that she now has a comfortable income even though the Mob has essentially taken over her nightclub and Henry certainly isn't 'running the show'.

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    Posted by: dandyfop
    Date posted: Sat Nov 14 8:24:40 2009
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    I don't think Carly came back with a serious design on Craig- but she expected him to be waiting on pins and needles for her return.  I think it was a blow to her self-confidence and her pride to find out she lost her hold on him. Supposedly lost her hold on him, LOL. So yes I agree- she is angry and I think she was embarrassed- not heartbroken- so no faux tears.

    If we are to believe that Rosanna and Carly have bonded as sisters over the years then there needs to be a scene where Carly is able to sit down and tell her sister how much her betrayal has hurt her- I don't expect to see that scene. Given their history I think Carlys initial attitude about this being revenge for Mike made sense- it made sense to lash out in anger as if Carly had been waiting for this shoe to drop for years- not really believing Rosanna was over it. That feeling is so superficial- the ache Carly must feel having had her sister betray her must be profound.

    For Craigs part, he is a first class A-hole for cheating on his fiancee who was in rehab BUT- it was the same fiancee who loved to use him as crutch more than she loved him, and he knew that. Must have been a huge thing to find that Rosanna of all people loved him. Cro are stomach churning- but it is fairly evident Rosanna loves Craig more than Carly did. 


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