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Topic: So much for Jack's epiphany


Topic Posted by: Allison
Date Posted: Fri Nov 13 17:03:00 2009
Additional Comments: For me at least, one of the most important consequences of Brad's tragic death was Jack's questioning his view of himself as the guy who can rush in and fix anything. Time after time, Jack has done just that, failed to call for backup, or wait for backup, and jumped into a dangerous situation guns blazing. And before now, it has always worked out. The subtext is that Jack is special, superhuman almost, he doesn't have to do things the way the rest of us do. But then he went and shot Brad. Sure, it might well have ended the same way if he'd waited for assistance rather than rushing into an unknown situation. But he'll never know that. And there's also the question of his drinking.

I at least found his self doubt to be very compelling and his grief poignant. I felt more sympathy for Jack than I have for years. But then this "Jack gets his groove back" trip started. Jack goes to Philly, ignores the police and saves the day. Then Jack goes to S. Carolina, punches Mike in the face knocking him unconscious, but Mike wakes up and Jack wins the race for him so it's all ok. The previews for next week look like more of the same. And before we know it we'll have our old "I can't do wrong" Jack back, just when I was starting to like the guy again.





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Posted by: Linny
Date posted: Mon Nov 16 13:06:42 2009
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So far, I'm not impressed. I liked his talking down a suicidal Ben Franklin and the darkness that was involved with that.  I don't like the reason for his roadtrip or the fact that he's basically doing the exact same things that got him on the road in the first place.  So how many roadtrips would he have to go on to soothe his conscience if he'd killed someone on that track?  That was thoughtless and reckless and it was even more messed up because MIKE of all people pointed out that fact that Jack was endangering other drivers' lives and Jack completely ignored him.

Oh well, this is the same Jack who endagers the lives of his children when he decides to "hot dog" it and find their kidnappers on his own.


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Posted by: Roxie
Date posted: Sat Nov 14 0:49:47 2009
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I TOTALLY agree with you. Jack is back to doing what he does best. Being the superhero that saves the day with no regard to the dangers to other people. He raced that car with no experience knowing he could crash and take out other drivers, but tough. He is Jack Snyder! He has learned nothing! He's just running away and still doing what he's always done. If only he had stayed in Oakdale and faced his pain and grief. He was really becoming a decent and likeable ''human being'' there for a while until he tucked tail and ran.

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Posted by: Rex
Date posted: Fri Nov 13 22:36:22 2009
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      I think it is the fact that Michael Park (Jack) really didn't get along with Austin Peck (Brad) is reason this Jack-gets-his-groove-back storyline is happening. Methinks Park didn't want to have anything to do with Peck and therefore you have Jack not dealing with his brother's death ,a death that he caused, and instead leaves Oakdale trying to handle his grief in a different fashion (IRL Brad would have been suspended and would have to face IA over Brad's death's).

    Meanwhile Peck is still on the show with his crazy ghost storyline that invovles only two other castmates. Jack killed his brother by accident and he should face up to this and more instead of racing cars in South Carolina. But real life issues off screen have made it that Jack has just about forgotten about his brother now and he seems to have more interesting things to do. Park and Peck can't have a scene together anymore hence two different awkward storylines.

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Posted by: Bertha
Date posted: Fri Nov 13 19:34:25 2009
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I think part of Jack's actions lies in the fact that he has a death wish. Not only did he shoot his own brother but he has Janet for a wife.

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  • LOL. Janet for a wife. Yeah, that would make one want to drive off a cliff./dandyfop

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    Posted by: dandyfop
    Date posted: Fri Nov 13 19:03:16 2009
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    It has just been lame so far. Reminds me of those tv shows where the drifter floats from place to place helping people- like Highway to Heaven or something. Jack goes from town to town solving problems and saving lives, while trying to find Katie a new ride? I am half expecting him to fetch a cat from a tree and save a drowning child. Jack playing hide and seek with Carly is even more lame- obviously done just to drag things out.

    I think they took what could have been a compelling story for Jack and made it very silly. When all is said and done I don't look for any change from either Carly or Jack- but I suspect for fans of the couple that won't matter.  IMO putting them back together just for the sake of having them together without some explanation for in particular Jacks behavior, accomplishes nothing. I think it does more harm than good- makes it more obvious than ever that carjack has jumped the shark.

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  • Dandy I agree with you and Allison. They have taken what might have been a very compelling storyline and turned it into another farce. Too bad. I would think that fans of Michael's would have welcomed a chance for him to show what he really is capable of instead of more of this old *SUPER-JACK* baloney. Do the writers think we're all pre-teens and can't handle a seriously written storyline?/Cricket
  • I think they are just lazy. Like CG said, everything is done to goose the ratings. Okay, lets get Carjack back together, and lets tease everyone with a day or two of some old faves. How do we accomplish this? This tour to find Katie a man was the best they could come up with to get those things done? Jack should have stayed home and figured his silly a$$ out there. Ben and Mike could have made their brief appearances for other reasons. It seems like this story has the barest of bones- one reasonable move by Jack or Carly would have it over too soon. They have to fill time before the inevitable. And goose those ratings! Lame. /dandyfop

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    Posted by: MartyB
    Date posted: Fri Nov 13 18:02:27 2009
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    I don't see this as Jack thinking he can't do any wrong or getting his mojo back at all. It's more about his identification with the individuals that he's helping out. They are having life struggles as Jack is right now & it resonates with him. As for punching out Mike (talking wasn't going to stop the galoot from killing himeslef now was it?). This journey is also about coming to terms with what happened to Brad. The "two beers" had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome. Waiting for back up from Oakdale PD Uncle Ralphie would have killed all three of his victims by the time they arrived. I think that this is heading into a more humbling experience for Jack & I think it's been fun & interesting. I for one am enjoying this journey & one that Carly will be on now as well.

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  • I'm with ya, Marty. The scenes with Mike, his wife and Carly brought a smile to my face. They were just so relaxed and honest. And no matter how hokey, when Jack won the race, it was fun to watch the reactions. ATWT reached such a low point for me this year - wtih the bleakness of Carly's alcoholism - that I'm happy with this somewhat lighter hearted direction. Plus it's kinda fun to see old faces in a new way. I don't want Jack and Carly magically together, I want them working their way back to each other and these are the first steps. Janet treats Jack the way he treated Carly - perhaps he'll see that. ht

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    Posted by: gallyn
    Date posted: Fri Nov 13 17:20:33 2009
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    I understand your point, even if I don't agree. Yeah, some of this "Jack rushes in" stuff is over the top--WAY over the top. As Mike (usually not a Mensa candidate) pointed out, Jack didn't have any experience racing, and could have endangered the other drivers with his inexperience.

    What I see, is less "Jack trying to fix things", and more "Jack's learning everyone has their issues to overcome and shouldn't be ashamed of needing help". With a dash of a death wish thrown in.

    I mean, I didn't miss the irony in Jack telling Mike there was no shame in needing help---it seems to me the last time Jack lost his job (well, maybe not the last time--he seems to leave it every year for a spell) the last time he was married to Carly and lost his job when he took part time security work at WOAK, Carly KNEW it was killing him and it was her scheming to oust Nick Kasnoff from the force that was the breaking point in their marriage.

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  • I'm liking Jack's death wish. It's about time he dropped the uptight facade. If Jack can become a little 'fun,' a little reckless, I'm all for it. I must say, I really liked Mike and his wife - what a normal loving couple! ht
  • Well the death wish theory adds some depth to the path the writers have chosen, but I still wish Jack would see that his take no prisoners approach can and has led to serious, irrevocable consequences. The scene where he couldn't pull his gun at Yo's was more fitting with his self doubt and guilt. I wish on this trip they'd show him afraid to take action, to not step in but eventually to have him see he's just not cut out to be a bystander.
  • --'With a dash of a death wish thrown in.' - Exactly !! /mia

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