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Subject: This is ridiculous already. Now white people who don't vote for Obama are afraid that he is smarter then they are! If you're white and question Obama's experience, you're racist. If you're white and question Obama's pastor, you're racist. If you're white and question Obama's association with Rezko, you're racist. If you're white and were offended by Obama's remark's about people clinging to their guns and religion, you're racist. If you're white and voted for Hillary, you're racist. If you're white and are voting for McCain, you're racist. What a load of bull. Because Obama's black, does that mean that white people have to vote for him to prove that they aren't racist or as you see it, to prove that they aren't afraid of a smart black man showing them up? Did it ever occur to you that some white people, hispanic people, asian people and even some black people aren't supporting Obama because they aren't impressed with his empty rhetoric and inexperience? As illustrated by you, white people aren't the only ones who can be labled racist.
Response Posted by: bubbs
Date Posted: Sun Jun 15 15:53:51 2008
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Subject: Oh, bubbs, I don't think that's what Peace was saying at all. If you disagree with policies or positions, that's fine. But when you say things like *There's just something about him I don't like* or *I don't know anything about him* or *I'm not comfortable with him but I don't know why* or *I could never vote for him* but can't articulate the reason, people are likely to think maybe they understand there's an underlying discomfort with race. Or maybe you make sock monkey jokes. Mean and obvious stuff like that. Hateful stuff that suggests the guy is unacceptable because of his race. You know what I mean? You really do have a massive dislike for this man. You've made that crystal clear. Are you supporting McCain, then? I can't remember if you've said. // Shea
Response Posted by: Shea
Date Posted: Sun Jun 15 16:23:05 2008
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Subject: Peace was not talking about policies, either. I'm not sure where Peace got the idea that the reason some white people won't vote for Obama is because he's smart and they don't want a smart black man showing them up, but it is another way to call white people who don't vote for him, racist. No, if's and or buts. There's no defending Peace's statement or seeing it any other way. Peace should just blantantly come out and say it instead of pussfooting around. It's also very naive to think that some people do not base their vote on who they like, on what they know about the candidate, about how how comfortable they feel about them. People have voted that way for decades and now suddenly, because Obama is black, it's forbidden and has some underhanded meaning behind it? I've seen Obama supporters back him because of his race, because he's nice looking, because he's charming, because he's married to a dark skinned woman, because he's a good dad, because, because, because. Where's the issues? People didn't vote for Hillary because she was a woman, because she yelled when she spoke, because they wanted her to iron their shirts, because she wore pantsuits, because she cackled when she laughed. Again where's the issues? Not everyone who votes, votes strictly on the issues. Just because Obama is black and someone doesn't like him, believe in him, are not confident in his abilities to lead, or don't think he's the saviour this country needs,does not automatically make them racist. People of any color are allowed to not like, not believe in and not vote for Obama without having a label placed on them.
Response Posted by: bubbs
Date Posted: Sun Jun 15 17:29:53 2008
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Subject: What’s the argument here? Peace said SOME people. In polls that have been taken, usually 12% of whites in rural areas say that race matters. Some just say they won’t vote for a black no matter what. So Peace is accurate./Jack
Response Posted by: Jack
Date Posted: Sun Jun 15 18:38:41 2008
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Subject: Link me to the legitimate polls that you are talking about and while you're at it, show me at least one legitimate source that can back up Peace's racist *theory* .
Response Posted by: bubbs
Date Posted: Sun Jun 15 19:27:32 2008
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Subject: All right, I’ll give you links this time but in the future if you don’t believe something, you’ll have to research it yourself. Anyone who paid attention to the networks during the primary results, heard them give these statistics. See inside for a couple links. If you want to argue this, you’ll have to argue with yourself./Jack
Response Posted by: Jack
Date Posted: Sun Jun 15 20:13:56 2008
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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/the-race-factor-in-pa-primary/
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08139/882900-176.stm 
Subject: To be fair, Jack, bubbs wasn't arguing at all. I think the exact words were * no ifs, ands, or buts,* and *there's no defending Peace's statement.* That plainly tells us that there is no argument here, just what bubbs says is so. No theories or opinions welcome, thank you very much. Perhaps I might suggest a *No Comment Blog* for bubbs so she can expound and vent and not be annoyed with others proffering opinions or theories contrary. Nor would bubbs have to be bothered with ignoring annoying questions about just where bubbs stands on the issues or with what candidate bubbs is not disgusted. For bubbs there is no dialog. There is only monologue, and that would be bubbs' job and bubbs' job alone. // Shea
Response Posted by: Shea
Date Posted: Sun Jun 15 20:45:42 2008
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Subject: Gee Jack, I'm so grateful that you took the time to provide the links that proved that race is important, especially when 93% of black men and 87% of black woman in Pa. voted for Obama. Do ya think race was important to them? Couldn't be. Race only matters to white people. Sure Jack, next time you decide to post one of your facts, I'll take your word for it! You still never addressed Peace's racist theory. Oh wait. I forgot, since Jack has nothing to back that nonsense up with, I'm just argueing with myself. /
Response Posted by: bubbs
Date Posted: Sun Jun 15 20:46:38 2008
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Subject: Shea, what would you call Peace's statement. That *theory* seemed absolute. Even going as far as to say that it's what white people are thinking even if they don't want to admit it to themselves! How Peace knows what white people think when even they don't know it themselves is amazing.For Peace there is no facts, no dialogue, no questions. Only Peace's supernatural ability to know what white people around the country are thinking without any basis in reality. Is that the kind of in depth research and debate of the issues that you find credible , Shea?
Response Posted by: bubbs
Date Posted: Sun Jun 15 20:57:53 2008
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Subject: Oh boy. I didn't mean to start a battle. Part of my statement was sort of tongue in cheek and some was serious. I do think there are people who don't realize that they have deep down racist feelings, and I thank Jack for noticing that I said 'SOME;' people, not all people. No further comment should be neccesary./Peace
Response Posted by: mymolly
Date Posted: Mon Jun 16 12:02:54 2008
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Subject: bubbs it's so nice to see you here again. Not sure about the spitting into the wind but you never lose that edge do ya?eom/
Response Posted by: it's me!!
Date Posted: Mon Jun 16 12:56:14 2008
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