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Subject: It is my hope that the ''money for housing improvements'' will be spent on VA hospitals, or at least in a way that will benefit the Military that served with honor, instead of being denied benefits! eom/Tex
Response Posted by: Tex
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 17:26:25 2008
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Subject: I'm not talking about getting granite countertops. I'm talking about replacing 50 year old wiring and pipes that shed flecks of metal into the water. How about replacing 50-60 year old housing with radon problems? How about children with lead counts in the dangerous levels from the 40 layers of paint in their homes? No one is asking VA hospitals to suffer, but warriors have a hard time focusing when their families are living in relative squalor. MS
Response Posted by: Mystery Shopper
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 17:31:37 2008
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Subject: That description of your neighborhood sounds an awful lot like the day (another location) the little boy took his dead father's dog tags to show and tell. Remember spinning that tale? The world is celebrating and hopeful this man can make the changes needed. Squalor? You (we) know that's about as true as the dog tag story. eom/WE
Response Posted by: W.E.
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 17:42:43 2008
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Subject: Perhaps closing that sub-standard housing would be a solution. Warriors who were wounded during their service to their country and are denied the support they EARNED are the ones I worry about. I'm sure their families have a difficult time focusing too. It is my hope that the new Commander In Chief will direct his attention to the Vets who are in need first, and then turn his attention to the housing of military dependants. eom/Tex
Response Posted by: Tex
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 17:50:03 2008
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Subject: I will ignore the insinuation that I am being less than truthful every time I post. That is just insulting. When we lived in Quantico, we had brown, fabric covered wiring in our housing, we had our washer and dryer outside in our storage room, we had mice, we had lead paint, and we had leaky plumbing to go with our leaking roof. That housing has been torn down, as has a LOT of military housing. Are you really so out of touch with the real day to day life of the military family that you think there isn't a real problem with substandard housing on bases and posts across the Nation?!? MS
Response Posted by: Mystery Shopper
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 17:50:04 2008
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Subject: Now you know exactly how we felt when you voted Bush back into office for a second time, after he hadn’t made improvements for the military…just to name one account of his ineptness. Looks like you’ll have to live with this presidency just as we had to live under the worst president in my lifetime. / Vivian
Response Posted by: Vivian
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 17:50:47 2008
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Subject: For crying out loud MS, you act like that’s Obama’s fault. That’s the fault of the president you helped to elect. Why didn’t you complain about it to him? / Vivian
Response Posted by: Vivian
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 17:54:09 2008
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Subject: Tex, do you really think all warriors are 18 and without families? You do understand that people who are in combat (and other dangerous locations) have a hard time focusing when their families are miserable, right? You are also aware of the horrific number of military families on food stamps and WIC, right? So these families should live out in town, on the economy, rather than in base housing? You aren't going to find anyone in the military who doesn't support more funding for VA hospitals, so please don't try to insinuate that I am calling for a diversion of funds from that. The whole point of this post was to share the mood in my neighborhood. It is not a happy place, and there really isn't anything else to say. MS
Response Posted by: Mystery Shopper
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 17:56:39 2008
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Subject: MS you aren't the only person who is a military wife/ mother. Many of us have family members in service and a lot of us far longer than you and your warrior. Be insulted all you want but you spun that tale and knowing what I know from my military relatives I'm inclined to believe them over you. You did lie, admitted to that lie and when your tales don't jive with my military relative's reports I'm inclined to doubt your truthfullness. Wouldn't you do/feel the same? Of course you would!! eom/WE
Response Posted by: W.E.
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 17:59:13 2008
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Subject: MS.......I believe you have forgotten who you are speaking to. I've been a military dependant longer that you have with my ex-husband, and then about half that much again with my late husband. What is strange to me is that you are choosing NOW to complain about the condition of military families, when anyone with two brain cells to rub together realizes that BUSH has been responsible for 8 years for the plight of the military and their dependants......including their low pay and supposedly sub-standard housing!! eom/Tex
Response Posted by: Tex
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 18:07:07 2008
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Subject: Oh, for Pete's sake...give it a rest, Pat! I (YEARS ago) made the mistake of relaying a story I heard FROM MY NEIGHBOR that turned out to be untrue. I had the decency (and honesty) to come back to MD and tell everyone it had turned out to be untrue and you act like I fabricated it all on my own for some absurd reason. MOVE ON! That happened 4 years ago. As for length of military service...there are certainly people who have served longer than my husband (22 years, by the way) and I have only been married for 13 years of that time, but I feel I actually do count as a primary source on this issue. Why don't you Google the issue of substandard base housing and find out what is happening in many places. As for the mood here...I guess the military people you know are all wiser than the military people I live with and next to, etc. Like I said, no one I know here is thrilled or reporting a tingle running up their leg. MS
Response Posted by: Mystery Shopper
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 18:08:51 2008
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Subject: Tex, I am aware of your military connection. That wasn't the point I was making. As for why I haven't been beating the drum for improvements in military housing and programs for military members...you have no idea what I have been doing and what issues I am involved in during my day to day life. I only said we are expecting a cut in funding for programs and an end to yearly cost of living pay increases. Hopefully, I am wrong. MS
Response Posted by: Mystery Shopper
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 18:13:09 2008
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Subject: Interesting that's not how you spun the apology 4 years ago. You fully admitted you lied. Speaks volumes about your character at least your sister was honest and I respected her for that. Tex, she does forget (except she remembered my name - why is that???) that many here have family in the military. Many of my family members, and some overseas, voted Obama and had great reasons for doing so. Lastly, NO Mystery Shopper I will never let it go. You lied for a reason - you said so then and to me you will always be a LIAR. If it were some bit of fluff I could and would forget it. What you did was disgusting and here you are pretending?? There was NO neighbor, no news report only YOU thinking you could snow the people on this board as you're trying to do again. eom/WE
Response Posted by: W.E.
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 18:17:40 2008
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Subject: Pat, you calling me a liar doesn't make it true. I have no reason to fabricate stories on a soap opera message board. Whatever makes you feel superior...just go with that. I see it was a waste of time to respond to the question of ''what is the mood in your neighborhood'' unless the answer goes along with what you think it should be. I've responded to people here politely but this is turning into a ridiculous attack on me personally so I'm going to go back to lurking and let you ''know'' what the average military person thinks without my input. MS
Response Posted by: Mystery Shopper
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 18:23:50 2008
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Subject: Superior? No - I never said that. I called you on the lie and you lied again saying your neighbor told you the story. Back then you fully admitted to trying to snow people on an internet message board. Now it's something else. You lied and continue to lie. I don't need you to tell me about the average military person. Lurk...don't lurk. Who cares just don't lie! That's not too much to ask. I don't like you and you don't like me. I didn't ask this question but felt compelled to call you out when you are less than truthfull. You don't have to admit it here but you will have to in the mirror. Now I am done and I will not apologize for anything I said. I spoke the whole truth! eom/WE
Response Posted by: W.E.
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 18:31:24 2008
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Subject: When your comments use your military connection, you can be certain that I will always post my thoughts, because I do not want to allow your comments to remain the ''primary source'' on ANY military issue!! It is my honest hope that when you retreat back to lurking, you keep in mind the respect that all military families owe your Commander In Chief!!
Response Posted by: Tex
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 18:34:42 2008
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Subject: ^^^^was to MS from me! eom/Tex
Response Posted by: Tex
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 18:36:28 2008
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Subject: Tex, I never claimed to be THE primary source...I said I was ''a'' primary source, as in someone with first hand experience who is involved rather than a secondary source who is conducting an interview for a newspaper article. As for remembering my need to exercise restraint in voicing my opinions re. the Commander in Chief...I was married during the Clinton era so I am already well aware of my duties. Rest assured I do not ever seek out the media or speak openly in a disrespectful manner. MS
Response Posted by: Mystery Shopper
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 19:06:43 2008
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Subject: Tex, I have family and friends with family serving in Iraq or stationed in Japan, China and the US. It's not easy for some of them - one is a new daddy and barely got to see his baby girl and had to leave behind his 2 year old son but they are proud of what they do, their country and would never disrespect their Commander-In-Chief. It's part of that loyalty only someone in the military can explain. God Bless them all and I can honestly say they are patriots who will fight for BHO and our freedom as we seek the change we so desperately need. GOBAMA. eom/WE
Response Posted by: W.E.
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 19:24:51 2008
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Subject: MS, what I don't understand is why you don't migrate to a board more politically friendly to people such as yourself. Is it the constant antagonim? I'm intrigued - truly. You post the most ridiculous stories and your own sister confirms that you made them up. Huh? As far as I can tell, the majority of the people on this board don't exactly care for you a whole lot .. why stay? Because you can? OK. Know this. I am a veteran and I could not possibly be more proud of this country than I am on this day. We did the right thing for this country and our standing in the world, which is way more important than you are ready to acknowledge. Why do you think that the world celebrated last night? It was the end of an error .. and the world knows it. Let's give President Elect Obama the chance to fix things before we start criticizing him, shall we?
Response Posted by: Matteson
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 23:32:37 2008
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Subject: And who exactly are you, Matteson? Unless you are a reincarnated old (banned) poster, you have never read a single thing my sister has posted here. I don't post here often because it always turns out this way...many people dislike hearing from anyone not in agreement with them. I didn't post anything here other than a description of the mood on my street. Naturally, I must be making it up, since it doesn't match what you want to hear. Again, I have no idea who you are and I don't know what ridiculous stories you are talking about, but I am well within my rights to post once in a while in case anyone here wants to know how things are viewed outside of their circle. Now I'm finished with this topic, as it has been completely knocked off track. MS
Response Posted by: Mystery Shopper
Date Posted: Wed Nov 5 23:48:18 2008
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Subject: I can only speak for myself, but I really dislike your way of posting, which begins with passive aggressive statements, and quickly becomes hateful responses to anyone that dares to not agree with YOU. I always respond to you when you say anything about the military because I am determined to make it very clear to everyone reading your comments that you in no way represent any military dependant I have ever met!! In my opinion, you ONLY speak for those in your very narrow, hateful circle....certainly not me or any other military I've ever known It doesn't matter what you post about, you always manage to get into an argument, which of course in your mind is never your fault!! .eom/Tex
Response Posted by: Tex
Date Posted: Thu Nov 6 0:26:18 2008
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Subject: MS, has it occured to you that the reason things on your posts get 'knocked off track' isn't because people simply disagree with you, it is because for years you have been nasty, disagreeable, sometimes inappropriate, and completely unwilling to let a discussion work its way to completion because you only agree with what you agree with and not much else. YOu also present things in a manner that says ''everyone where I am hates Obama''. I don't know of any article to show otherwise, but you are WRONG about that. Some of my friends in the military are relieved for a change in leadership in hopes things will change there and they will be heard. When ever anyone suggests that perhaps there are shades of gray in your argument you get defensive, rude then disappear again. I
Response Posted by: Siss
Date Posted: Thu Nov 6 12:12:04 2008
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Subject: MS, has it occured to you that the reason things on your posts get 'knocked off track' isn't because people simply disagree with a statement you make that day, it is because for years you lurk, then appear with nasty defensive comments, pointing out that everyone is wrong but you, and you are completely unwilling to argue the points, just the evil that has been done you by these evil liberals on the board. You also present things in a manner that says ''everyone where I am hates Obama''. I don't know of any article to show otherwise, but you are WRONG about that. Some of my friends in the military are relieved for a change in leadership in hopes things will change there and they will be heard. It is the current administration that has been ignoring the living conditions, adequate protection for them and adequate funds to provide what they need. When ever anyone suggests that perhaps there are shades of gray in your sweeping generalizations you get defensive, go on the attack, then disappear again, not allowing anyone to have a genuine, intelligent conversation about a topic. HAs it occurred to you that over the years of this behavior, YOU might be responsible for why you aren't treated very well here? And then you say, ''but I have a right to say whatever I want.'' As my mom used to say, if you can dish it out, you better be able to take it. I'm sure some military housing is in horrible shape, but that certainly isn't because of Obama. And if you have been paying attention, he has spoken quite specifically to the treatment of our troops under the current administration and has laid plans to improve our troops conditions in battle, in the hospitals and back home. Gee, does that sound like he's anti-military? I certainly don't think so. Does it make him a liar? I doubt it, but the truth is you don't know the answer to that anymore than anyone else does about what can and will happen. Time, leadership, and all the rest of the overwhelming issues facing the curent president will tell--NOT that he was a liar or someone who hates the military--but rather, things are going to be more complex, more expensive and occasionally more controversial to fix than he thought during the campaign. I have a strong feeling that Obama's administration is likely to discover all sorts of horrendous treatment of our military that w has been sweeping under the rug for the past several years. And we know are military are too respectful to go public with those issues. Shades of gray, MS. You have shown a consistent inability to see shades of gray in any position you take. And THAT is yet another reason why when you post ''I'm right, you are all wrong'' type of postd, people come back at you. Angry victims invite argument from those they accuse, then point out how vicitimized they have been. Other people who disagree actually teach me things about their position and from their point of view. It is very hard to do that with you because you provoke so much more than you discuss. I rarely communicate with you because of that, but this time, I had to express how I feel, too. And I guess in your mind, I'm also an unknowing puppet of the liberal cause and don't understand anything. Because you've said things similar to that to me in the past. And you wonder why people are mean to you. (eom) Siss
Response Posted by: Siss
Date Posted: Thu Nov 6 12:31:15 2008
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Subject: Wow. That was great, Siss. ITA with everything you just said. // Shea
Response Posted by: Shea
Date Posted: Thu Nov 6 12:58:18 2008
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Subject: I agree with everything you said too, Siss. I used to argue a lot with her, but it's really not worth it. The very first time she ever posted here she was hostile and called us all a bunch of monkeys. I don't think I've ever seen anyone on this board as hateful as she is. She must lead a sorrowful life. To even mention Obama regarding the military living in squalor, is sick. All of a sudden it's going to be his fault and of course, he's not going to improve it, even though he has said just the opposite, many times. / Vivian
Response Posted by: Vivian
Date Posted: Thu Nov 6 16:02:57 2008
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