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Topic: WOO HOO! Ban on gay marriage overturned in California


Topic Posted by: susienews
Date Posted: Thu May 15 13:29:32 2008
Additional Comments:

I wasn't sure how much faith to put into our state high court on this issue, but they made the right call!  HOORAY!  It's not a "family values" issue, it's an equal rights issue.  So many people don't seem to understand that. 

SAN FRANCISCO -- The California Supreme Court overturned a ban on gay marriage Thursday, paving the way for California to become the second state where gay and lesbian residents can marry.

 

The justices released the 4-3 decision, saying that domestic partnerships are not a good enough substitute for marriage.

 

The cases were brought by the city of San Francisco, two dozen gay and lesbian couples, Equality California and another gay rights group in March 2004. They were filed after the court halted San Francisco's month-long same-sex wedding march that took place at Mayor Gavin Newsom's direction.

 

CNN reported that the court also said that Newsom acted illegally by approving those marriages before the issue had been settled.

 

Six of the seven justices on the court were appointed by Republican governors.

 

The state legislature has twice approved legislation to legalize gay marriage. But both measures were vetoed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

 

Distributed by Internet Broadcasting Systems, Inc. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

 





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Posted by: Vivian
Date posted: Fri May 16 17:39:08 2008
Message:

Julia, and/or whomever:

I do need some advice from you, regarding some of the specific laws of the Bible, and how to best follow them.  Please help me.

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death.  Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that a man is allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness  (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is how does he tell?  When a man asks, most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us.  A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians.  Can you clarify?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:9-12), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:16-23 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear lens implants.  Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. 

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  • *In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant* - Stephen Colbert
  • How true, how true! / Vivian
  • Thank you, Vivian. That is the same point I was making below. ~i&b

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    Posted by: ericaschild
    Date posted: Fri May 16 10:30:21 2008
    Message:

    HAPPY HAPPY DAY!!! AND IF JESUS WERE ALIVE ON EARTH...I'M SURE HE'D FEEL THE SAME WAY...

     

    Yay, for CA, for Gays (and for us bi's, too)...wow!!!

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  • ICAM! Jesus would definitely be pleased!!! : ) Yay YOU, ec!!! --susie
  • Woot! Woot! When you wanna go back to NOLA? I've got vacation days coming up! eom. JR.
  • Jesus would cry.
  • tears of joy!!!
  • Oh, I might be up for it one hot weekend this summer...I'll think HARD about it , JR...//ec
  • Lets do it! Anyone else game? eom. JR.

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    Posted by: Kelly Oh!!
    Date posted: Fri May 16 6:36:28 2008
    Message:

    Hooray for California!  Equal rights is a beautiful thing!

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  • Isn't it? I can't wait for the day we look at the gay marriage ban the way the U.S. (most of it, anyway) looks at slavery. RIDICULOUS! And completely against what our nation stands for. --susie

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    Posted by: Shea
    Date posted: Thu May 15 20:41:03 2008
    Message:
    This is a step in the right direction, but we have a long long way to go.  As long as it is still aceeptable in many quarters to ridicule, demean, or outright hate gays openly and feel righteous while doing it, the job is not done.

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  • You're absolutely right, Shea. We have a very long way to go. But it sure is nice to be able to applaud the baby steps we've taken. : ) --susie

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    Posted by: Holly
    Date posted: Thu May 15 18:54:26 2008
    Message:
    As a single Christian woman, I say okay. Who wants to be lonely during our human life? Not me.
    Thumbs up.

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  • Holly, what a great response! Everyone deserves happiness and companionship. ! : ) --susie

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    Posted by: King of Pain
    Date posted: Thu May 15 18:13:54 2008
    Message:
    Massachusetts (where gay marriage is legal) has the lowest divorce rate in the country - so gay marriage is GOOD for hetero marriage!

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  • I like that statistic! --susie

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    Posted by: W.E.
    Date posted: Thu May 15 17:19:14 2008
    Message:

    Wowie wow wow. One step at a time. Maybe only the second state but where there are two - others will follow!!!

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  • Me too! Of course the feds are going to step in to try and screw everything up. *sigh* --susie
  • By ''me too'' I mean ''I hope that too.'' : ) --susie

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    Posted by: shebee
    Date posted: Thu May 15 15:22:21 2008
    Message:
    This is great news. I can't believe in my life time gay marriage may become lawful and best of all we may get our first black president! If only Obama were a woman.

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  • After taking so many steps backwards these past 8 years, it's incredible how much progress has happened in a few short months! --susie

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    Posted by: Jason Robert
    Date posted: Thu May 15 14:56:14 2008
    Message:
    We've been doing the happy dance over in the office.

    It's a huge step... now we just need to keep the momentum.

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  • I'm so excited for all the couples whose vows in '04 ''didn't count.'' I don't care where ''all these gays are coming from,'' so long as they come here to take advantage of California's superior intelligence. LOL! --susie

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    Posted by: ingyandbert
    Date posted: Thu May 15 14:03:05 2008
    Message:

    I honestly don't see what the big deal is on gay marriage.  It has nothing to do with me or my marriage.  I don't see it eroding the institution of marriage in general (heterosexuals have already done a good job of that on their own).  If two gay people want to marry each other, I don't see how that's anyone's business but theirs.  Let them be happy.  If the tables were turned and gays were the majority, I can't imagine how hurtful it would be for me to not be allowed to marry Mr. Ingy. 

    I think eventually gay marriage will be allowed in all states and in retrospect this whole debate will look very much like the days when blacks were told they couldn't eat at ''white'' lunch counters, etc.

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  • Maybe a man should be allowed to have 2 or 3 wives while we're at it. Some cultures do that. I'm so sick of this political correctness b.s.
  • Oh good lord, Julia. Get over yourself. Stop comparing apples to oranges. When no one has a good reason why gays can't marry, they always resort to your line of reasoning --- ''Next thing you know, men will marry children, or dogs, or dead people.'' Whatever. Find a little compassion. I hope you don't ever have children who are gay. I would hate for your own children to know they have an ignorant and hateful mommy. eom. JR.
  • It is completely wrong!! There's nothing natural about it. It's one of the many works of the devil. Satan wants to reverse anything God has ever done. There is no morals to society anymore, no values.
  • Julia, last I knew gays are not forcing underage children into marriage. That's the difference. ~i&b
  • I don't were all these gays are comming from. It's not like they can reproduce. They're freaks of society.
  • Oh, yes, the Devil makes them do it! That's always the last resort of people who have no argument. Try thinking about the issue rationally without throwing religion into it and let's see what you come up with. ~i&b
  • They're coming from all us non-gays. Frightening, isn't it? ~i&b
  • Wow, Julia. Ummm.... Jesus loves EVERYBODY! But he's not fond of this hate speech you are employing. Very narrow-minded of you. And the name calling is a little silly, don't you think? --susie
  • Maybe if you had religion you would understand the wrongness of it. It says 3 different times in the Bible against homosexuality. Our country could benefit from religion. This is all about right vs. wrong. I'm sick of this gay stuff being crammed down my throat. I'm worse than Hittler if I'm against it?? I'm sick of it.
  • The heck with two or three wives for the men! I'd like to have a couple of husbands. The one I have isn't quit up to the job. shebee
  • LOL Sheebee! Julia, I don't care what you claim the bible says. You can find an argument for just about anything in the bible if you really want to. It always comes down to subjective interpretation. Instead, I care about actual people. And so should you, if you're such a Christian, instead of demonizing them and calling them freaks. Is your Jesus really a hater? Cuz that's just the opposite of what his message was. You don't sound like you understand the most basic concepts of your own religion. ~i&b
  • I never said Jesus was a hater. I'm saying it is wrong. It does say in the Bible. Maybe I didn't choose my words exactly right. I'm not going to go around beating up gay people or whatever. I just don't think it is right what they're doing.
  • Julia, sweetie, I do have religion. I have been a Christian since 5th grade. Where in the Bible does it say it's okay to judge and demean an entire group of people? Please cite that verse for me, okay? --susie
  • You don't have to say Jesus is a hater to imply it. You said that being gay is immoral and that gays are freaks, and you cited the bible as your evidence. The implication is therefore that Jesus shares that characterization because he follows the same word of God you do. ~i&b
  • People who pass so much judgment on an entire group are not true Christians. / Vivian
  • Truth hurts doesn't it?
  • It isn't my job to judge anyone, correct. The Lord will do that!!
  • Well......when it is my turn for the Lord to judge, I'd rather be standing between two gay people than risk standing beside you!! eom/tex
  • Hahahahaha! Now look who's judging.
  • Julia - please enlighten all of us - what exactly did Jesus say about homosexuality? eom Kelly Oh!!
  • And what ''truth'' would that be, Julia? Because I don't think you even begin to understand your own religion. If you did, you wouldn't make such ignorant statements. ~i&b
  • Nothing can be cited (note the silence) because Jesus said nothing about homosexuality. He did say: it is what comes out of the mouth that defiles... what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles, for out of the heart comes evil intentions, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander; these are what defile a person. The only purity that mattered to Jesus was purity of heart. There is nothing that says homosexuality is in itself wrong, that it is harmful, unkind, destructive, unloving, dishonest, unjust, etc. Immoral behavior is condemned NOT homosexual behavior. Heteroes can be immoral and they haven't been the poster children for marriage so let the gays lead the way. (off my soap box).eom/WE
  • WE, can I copy your response so I can use it over and over again? Very eloquent - and so true! --susie
  • I love this thread! eom. JR.
  • Since everybody wanted to know where in the Bible it speaks against homosexuality. Read Leviticus18:22. It clearly says do not lay with a man like a woman, that is detestable. 1Corinthians 6:9, Romans 1:24-27.
  • You guys are too p.c for me/Rita
  • now there's the silence.........
  • Ah Leviticus as interpreted from the NET BIble. I could have made book this was coming. This is a prohibition from a time when people didn't mix two crops or make cloths of two different raw materials or plow a field with an ox and donkey yoked together - many things must remain separate. That includes the woman's bed. Only her husband was permitted there, and then only under certain circumstances. Any other use of her bed would be a defilement. The actual words (not from the NET) were mankind and womankind and speaks to promiscuity not homosexuality. If we go by your passage it's only men and Lesbians - woo hoo?? Given the years since Jesus walked the earth many have interpreted and reinterpreted and have added words that did not exist then. Homosexual, the word, did not exist until the 19th century but you'll find it in newer versions of Bibles alleged to be written eons before the 19th century. The words in the King James Bible state Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination. They refer to what I've described here not homosexuality.eom/WE
  • You won't silence me - I was busy and it took a while to get back here. Is that okay whoever you are?eom/Weeeeee
  • So Julia, Rita and ......, newbies to the sight? Of course not. You didn't just happen upon this board and see a hot button topic. Noooo. Hide behind made up names and symbols. Do you think Jesus would not look down on cowardice? I suppose you've all been lurking for years and consider yourselves regulars right? The big question is why do you care what anyone on this board or in this topic thinks? You won't change their minds (rightly so) and they won't change yours AND there are people here much more Bible savvy than you. We get it - you hate homosexuality and want to believe that Jesus hates gays. Simple, Jesus hated no one so you can't hide behind that. I respect your feelings on the subject although I, too, disagree but don't get why you're spitting in the wind when most on this board are tolerant of gays and are celebrating this milestone. Don't agree? That's your right. You have every right to feel the way you do and the others have every right to feel as they do. That makes discussion even when the argument leans more towards one side than the other. I call it a Pisa discussion.eom/Joe
  • I don't see where anyone said they hated gays, they just said that the Bible said homosexuality was wrong. it seems that these days people tend to interpret the Bible in the way that it best fits their own lives. too many different interpretations.
  • I've never heard anyone denounce King James' version and that's all I will cite and know.eom/WE
  • Above gays were called freaks of society - maybe not the *H* word but that's hateful.eom/WE
  • from the King James Version: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. So it's how you interpret that.
  • I Corinthians 6:9, Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
  • Romans 1:24-27, Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
  • First, you just repeated what I posted about mankind/womankind which is interpreted by religious scholars as I posted above. You can interpret any way you like. I will no longer discuss not knowing WHO I'm speaking with. Too many anons and some might have valid arguments others are just being sophomoronic. I can't tell the players so I'm done as I stand by everything I posted which is true and right. eom/WE
  • Whatever. You can cite whatever Bible passages you want and its not going to change my beliefs. I know I'm not an abomination. I do more good for the world on a daily basis than you will do in years of spewing intolerance and hatred. Best of luck with your miserable, petty lives. I'm gonna keep promoting my gay agenda: Doing away with pleated pants. eom. JR.
  • So, Julia/Who, the bible also said that women who wear pants are ''an abomination to the Lord.'' So unless you're one of the 0.0001% of women who've never worn pants, you've got some 'splainin' to do. Or do you make an exception for that? ~i&b
  • are you referring to Deuteronomy 22:5? Garment, meaning pants in your translation? Did they even wear pants then? apples and oranges, my dear.
  • Nope, not apples and oranges at all. And if you don't like that one, there are a million more. Do you choose to observe everything in the bible, or just the stuff that pertains to other people? ~i&b
  • Wait, I'm not Who. I'm not hiding behind names. I don't need to. Obvoiusly others have the same point of view.
  • I haven't even beeen at home all day so how can I be hiding behind names??

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