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Topic: Sarah Palin announces that her daughter is pregnant


Topic Posted by: Bonnie
Date Posted: Mon Sep 1 13:41:55 2008
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Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter is 5 months pregnant.

Did Ms. Palin, conservative as they come,  ever discuss birth control with her daughter? My sense is that she didn't. And yes, I know that contraceptives sometimes fail. I wouldn't even be surprised if the daughter wore a Promise Ring when she got pregnant. All kidding aside, I wish only the best for her daughter, but I do think this will not bode well for the GOP team. We have yet another reason to question McCain's judgment.

 





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Posted by: Jamie
Date posted: Tue Sep 2 20:49:17 2008
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I can understand attacking Sarah Palin for her inexperience, but attacking her as a mother is low.  She should stay home and pay more attention to her family...The people that should have stayed home and paid more attention to their families are the sleezeballs who cheated on their wives/husbands.  Maybe if they stayed home, they would not have strayed from their families and embarrassed their spouses and children.  At least SP is standing by her children and living a moral life and she is trying to do the right thing by her children.  And like most people, like the people I know, any major change within a family is discussed with all members and a decision is made as a family.  SP knew well in advance that she may be chosen as VP (cannot find on internet, however the interview was on CNN), so I'm sure the discussion had taken place prior to her making the announcement.

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  • Sorry but I'm not sure if you're joking. You say The people that should have stayed home and paid more attention to their families are the sleezeballs who cheated on their wives/husbands. Are you aware one of those sleezeballs is John McCain? eom/WE
  • My point is that I'm sure we could find baggage in most if not all our men and women in Congress. Again I can understand attacking her record, however families should be off limits. - Jamie
  • The point is you said what WE quoted you said. And I too hope you were joking. Bonnie

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    Posted by: amie
    Date posted: Tue Sep 2 19:00:30 2008
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    I've lurked on this post since dear Bonnie posted it. I tried to stay out of it, but now, I feel compelled to put in my 2 or 3 cents in. First, my main problem with Sarah Palin is her stance on political issues that are vastly different than mine. Gun Control is major for me. I don't like guns, I would never own one. My father was an avid member of the NRA, and a very responsible gun owner. I would never want the right to own a gun be taken away, but what in the heck is wrong with a waiting period to buy one? Why should it be so easy? We have to take a driver's test to get a driver's permit, why should it be so simple to get a gun in some states? And if someone wants a gun to defend themselves, is it necessary to be able to get a semi-automatic weapon. Why? My next issue with her is a woman's right to choose. I have never had an abortion, nor would I, but I take issue with the term right to life. It's as if your for choice, you're for death. That's not the case. Each circumstance is different for each person. Who am I to judge, and by the way, I was adopted as an infant. Maybe, like Obama said to Rev Warrens, we need to focus on limiting abortions and making other options more available. Adoption is costly, and many who would cannot afford it. There is no guarantee that the bio mother won't come back and claim the child after a few years. And for the bio mother, there is no guarantee that her healthcare throughout the pregnancy will be taken care of. That's why I'm very pro-choice. Now, having said that, the fact that Sarah Palin's teenage daughter is pregnant, actually makes me like her more. She's human! As a mother of 2 girls, I sympathize with her. I'm still not voting for McCain, but I don't think her daughter's predicament should matter. The main problem many have, is that the GOP has always regarded themselves as the party of family values, and to be honest, if Palin were a Democrat, the GOP would be all over her! Hypocrisy at it's worst. Our culture has become so tabloid crazy, nothing is sacred in politics. The same thing happened to the Edward's family. Now of course, John was so wrong to cheat on Elizabeth, but the media ate it up. And did the GOP or the media care what effect the publicity had on the children? Tit for Tat! It's a shame that this is what politics has come to. Many of us disagree on this board, but this is a great forum, we should be able to debate without insulting each other. So now, I'm off my soapbox, may you all take care!

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  • Thank you annie, that was well thought out and well put. You have your values and choose a candiate for those reasons, that I truly respect whether or not I would agree, I do respect. No nastiness, no personal attack. again Thanks annie. Gary
  • If you don’t want to own a gun, then I don’t think you should. But I don’t think that anyone should be able to restrict my right, as a law-abiding citizen, to do so. You asked why pro-gunners are against waiting periods. Firstly, a waiting period is a restriction of my rights guaranteed by the 2nd amendment. There is no waiting period for practicing free speech guaranteed by the 1st Amendment, and there shouldn’t be a waiting period on the 2nd Amendment. Driving a car is not a constitutionally protected right, rather it is a privilege and thus can be more regulated than a right. But from a more practical standpoint, there are instances where a person needs a gun NOW. What about women with restraining orders against abusive men? By the time a woman waits to get her hands on a gun, she could be dead. You don’t hear about it much in the mainstream media, but people use guns to fend off attackers all the time…a couple million times a year in the United States. A very good friend of mine was very brutally raped and left for dead in her apartment. Her attackers intended to kill her and thought she was dead. If they had found out that she was still alive, she had no doubt that they’d be back to kill her for good. So she wanted a gun fast, but instead had to deal with a waiting period. Thank God for her they never came back. The point is that a waiting period can mean the difference between life and death for some people. And some criminal who wants to hurt someone isn’t going to go through the proper channels anyway…by their very nature gun control laws only inhibit law-abiding citizens because they are the ones that follow the law. Criminals will always commit crimes no matter what restrictions are put on law-abiding citizens. The vast, vast majority of law abiding gun owners are very responsible, just like your father. As for McCain, he isn’t exactly a champion of the NRA; based on his lifetime voting record, the NRA gave him a C+, with a low being an F and high being an A+…so as far as I’m concerned, that’s not good enough, but it is better than the alternative.

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    Posted by: Midge
    Date posted: Tue Sep 2 15:49:07 2008
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    Now I'm in tears! I'm watching MSNBC and Nora O'Donnel is interviewing Whitaker from the Washington Post and he just dropped this story.

    Palin and McCain both new Bristol Palin was pregnant. BUT, until the morning of the VP announcement, the Palin children were not told Sarah was to be named the VP choice. They flew to Dayton under the impression they were going there to attend some sort of celebration of the Palin's 20th wedding anniversary.

    Can you imagine Bristol having this sprung on her hours before her life goes out on national television. Obviously, the boy involved didn't know what was about to happen to his life either. What kind of mother does that to her daughter, at a time a daughter needs her mother like no other time in her life?

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  • OMG, is this true? If it is, what kind of monster is this woman? Bonnie
  • I made a mistake in who the reporter was with Norah O'Donnel. He's not with thw Washington Post, he's Mark Whitaker, currently Senior Vice President at NBC News, who was named chief of the network's Washington, D.C. bureau, a spot that has remained vacant since Tim Russert died. He really saw it on a personal level, saying he had a 21 y/o daughter, who was not pregnant, but he couldn't imagine doing something like that to his daughter. Midge
  • How many other mistakes have you made in the interest of enlightening us? LMAO-X
  • I made a mistake of saying the reporter (whose was correctly named Whitaker) was with the Washington Post, when actually, he is the NBC Washington Bureau Chief. I quoted him correctly, but didn't look at the screen quickly enough to catch the banner. So, after posting, I wanted to be sure I wasn't giving wrong information, so I did take the time to google him and the words Washington Post (actually to get his first name, which I had missed altogether) and learned he was actually with NBC. I could have let it go, but I took the time to come back and make a correction. And guess what, Ms X,, in both posts and this one, I SIGN MY NAME!! Midge

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    Posted by: falicee
    Date posted: Tue Sep 2 14:45:29 2008
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    I am from Alaska, and though I expected the left wing to hit Palin, I never thought I would ever see such awful things (some of them made up lies of such absurdity it is unbelievable) brought down on a child of a candidate. No one could possibly have hated the Clintons more than me, but it pissed me off the way the media would write about Chelseas (at that time) sorta unflattering looks. She was 12 or so, and I felt it was wrong to say anything about her that was negative. I am also no fan of the obamanation, but I would never condone any thing negative about his two darling children. It is just WRONG.
    Leave the kids alone. So Bristol is pg. It happens in families every day all over america. Of course, the left would much prefer it if Sarah and her daughter had dealt with their pregnancies by aborting them.
    I do not believe for one minute that Sarah Palin does not believe in Contraception. People, look at all this crapola that is flying around, most of it untrue. Sarah is pro life, not anti contraception. That makes no sense, and I do not believe it. I was here when she ran for Govenor. She is a real person, and all this madness just proves that the left is scared you-know-what-less.

    Man, I had not been here for years, on the personal board. Now I remember why. It is a sewer.

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  • I am a regular on this board and responded below to Robyn. I simply expressed my opinion. As a regular (your comment): Man, I had not been here for years, on the personal board. Now I remember why. It is a sewer is no BETTER than anything else I've read. I have not attacked her character just said my peace. If you ever come back please remember there are others on this board, some not from this country, who don't deserve their board called a sewer. If that's how you feel maybe it's a good thing you don't visit here often. I for one will continue giving my opinion and posting on all topics and will be pleased NOT to see your name. I'm sure the feeling is mutual and I'm fine with that. eom/WE
  • Most of the people here have been very sympathetic to the daughter's situation. We just don't think her mother is qualified to be President of the United States, and we are very concerned that McCain doesn't seem to know very much about her. -Miss H
  • falicee, you are sorely misguided. We're not talking here of appointing a den mother or the president of the PTA! It's not the woman, nor is it her pregnant daughter that is causing many people to question whether or not she deserves to run on the GOP ticket. Rather, the concern is whether Ms. Palin is prepared educationally, experiencially, and socially to take on the position of VP, and possibly President, if Senator McCain is elected. It's not a moral issue for most of us. It's about the questionable choice of accepting a challenging position in a world that is facing war, terrorism, economic crisis, and a host of other circumstances that require an ability to focus 100% on both domestic and foreign issures. I'm sure Ms. Palin is an exceptional lady. That is not the point. There are many other qualified women who, at this point in their lives, would have been better suited for the position. Now is not Ms. Palin's time. Bonnie
  • Well that is more like it, if it about qualifications then that is more like it. We should also look at the qualifications of a candidate that had not served a full term as US Senator to become Comander in Chief, Please let us discuss. Gary
  • I'll name one: Obama graduated from Harvard Law and was the President of the Law Review. Where did Palin go to school? I do know that she majored in journalism. Bonnie
  • He also taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago - and I WANT a president who knows a little about the Constitition. Mrs. Palin believes our founding fathers wrote the Pledge of Allegiance, complete with the phrase 'under God'. DISCUSS. eom Kelly Oh!!
  • You're offended? How 'bout this one out of your own mouth: '' Of course, the left would much prefer it if Sarah and her daughter had dealt with their pregnancies by aborting them.'' Pot, meet kettle. You obviously don't know the first thing about what pro-choice people think so stop putting words in their mouths. ~i&b
  • Thanks i&b. I was so incensed saying falicee calling this board a sewer was the worst I'd read. No, what you posted SHE said is the worst. How utterly disgusting that a thought showing she has NO idea what most of us here, who DID NOT flame Mrs. Palin, are about. Again, hope her few years away are extended. eom/WE
  • Well let's see, he graduated from Harvard and taught Constitutional Law, so that means you would be in favor of Justice Clarence Thomas for President? Come now, you can't be serious that the only qualifications for President of the United States would be that one have a degree from an Elite Ivy League University?? Rather light in my opinion. Gary

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    Posted by: CaroleA
    Date posted: Tue Sep 2 10:00:06 2008
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    I don't think that having a pregnant teenager makes you a bad mother.  I do question, however, the choice to have five children when you obviously are far more interested in career.  When my daughter was 7, her father moved out, and she had some problems with that and wasn't doing well in school.  At about the same time, I was offered a job in another division of the company I was working in at about twice the salary.  Knowing that if I turned it down, I might not get another chance to move ahead, I did, in fact, turn it down because it would have meant moving my daughter to a new town and a new school.  I felt she had had enough change in her young life, and I didn't want to move her away from her father.  It was very important to me that she maintain a relationship with him.  She will be 32 soon, and her father passed away 3 years ago.  She is very successful now, and I have never once regretted the decision to put my child above my career. 

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    Posted by: Robyn
    Date posted: Tue Sep 2 8:24:51 2008
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    I'm coming out of long time lurkdom to respond to this because I just can't believe what I'm reading.  I wish some of you on this board would take the high road like Obama did yesterday.  Some of what is written here is just disgusting.  You can't attack Palin's lack of experience or qualifications because that would open up the same criticism of Obama, so you attack her character, her motivation, attack her as a mother and attack her as a woman.  Do you really think she found out last week she was in contention for the VP spot?  She's known for months and I'm sure she discussed this with family and advisors.  In an above thread, someone questions why she even had her baby with Down's Syndrome.  Unreal.  PJ, you say below that this could only get better if her teenage daughter's baby daddy is her cousin and laugh about it. Do you have a daughter?  If so, I hope she never comes home with news that isn't what you want to hear.  Will you laugh at her?  Midge, you insinuate that she secretly wanted to lose her baby with Downs.  That is without a doubt the sickest thing I've read here.  None of you know anything about the woman personally, yet you're calling her a bad Mother and selfish.  Shame on all of you.

    I am in no way a fan of Palin's and think she's a terrible choice, based on her total lack of experience, but I have no idea what her personal life is like and would never base my opinion of her on something I don't know.  Come back later and read what some of you had written.  It's unbelievable.

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  • And by the way Midge, you can't miscarry from jumping on a trampoline. I ran at least 3 miles a day until I was 36 weeks pregnant and delivered a happy, healthy baby with no complications.
  • yes I do have a daughter whom I have talked about sex and will continue. You know what Mccain has insulted my intelligence by thinking I would elect someone just because she is a WOMAN. Like I CARE what you think anyway. If this woman didn't want this attention maybe she shoulda stayed out. Please those of us who are against the war have taken CRAP from republicans like we aren't patriotic and the like so don't act LIKE it's beyond the Republicans to attack our character and the like.
  • This woman is going to make decisions that will affect my daughter's future. When she can't even run her own household apparently BUT I'm supposed to sit by and watch this wreck and not say anything, If she can't keep HER OWN HOUSE in order she has no business throwing her hat into the ring to run our country. I think it's disgusting as a MOM that she would do this to her own child and says ALOT about her judgement.. As Mom you're damn right I question her judgement she is dragghing her kids into the spotlight for HER OWN GAIN. Nobody to blame but SARAH PALIN. /PJ
  • She's not a bad mother because her teen is pregnant. She's not a bad mother because she wants a career. She's not #1 mother because she chose to have a special needs baby. My opinion is why would a mother put her teenage daughter and the family of the teen father through all this. You're absolutely right that she didn't find out last week and has known for some time she might be chosen. Her teen is 5 months along. Did she think this wouldn't come out? Did she and McCain really think with this hanging out there she was the best choice? We keep seeing pictrures with the teen holding the Down Syndrome baby. That sent a vicious rumor that she was the mother and Sarah was covering that up when in essence the reason the teen was always holding the infant with blanket draped open was to HIDE her pregnant belly. NO Ms. Palin could not have guessed such a rumor would be passed around but she HAD to know what this would do to these teenagers and her entire family. I'm not trying to hit her character, she's done that all by herself. eom/WE
  • Sorry, but every politician drags their family into the public arena. Is Obama putting his girls first, or his own ambitions? His daughters will have to be uprooted if he wins and go through the fun of puberty while living in the White House fishbowl. How about McCain? His wife suffered a stroke and pill addiction and I'm sure he knew it would come out. Lets go back in time here. Gerald Ford knew his wife had a problem with alcohol and pills but went ahead and put his name in the hat. I'm sorry, but anyone who runs for president or vice-president, including Obama, is out to feed his/her own ego and need for power. Politicians are selfish people and I beleive there are very few exceptions to this rule. They're mostly egomaniacs who want the top prize and will do what it takes to get it. Was Clinton putting his daughter and wife first when he fooled around with various interns and assistants before, during and after the White House? Sara Palin is doing what they all do so please don't hand me the ''She needs to stay home and take care of her family.'' arguement. And just becuase she has a pregnant daughter doesn't mean her house isn't in order. It means she has a pregnant teenager which many, many parents in this country can relate to. You know nothing of her family life so stop attacking her character and stick to the issue which is she is unqualified to be Vice-President due to her total lack of experience.
  • Um excuse me her house isn't in order when you have an unmarried MINOR child pregnant. Funny my mother managed to raise 3 girls and NONE of us managed to have a baby out of wedlock. Let's not forget this party has PREACHED to us FAMILY VALUES. I eblieve they are in NO POSITION to preach that anymore. This whole debacle goes right to the heart of the Repblican's stance. So please she doesn't represent me OR my family./PJ
  • Yes, everyone who runs for the top offices will uproot their families if voted in. Sarah Palin didn't just put her family on the chopping block. She put the family of the teen dad there, too. Some can say Clinton did the same thing to the Lewinskys but Monica was just as much to blame. This boy and girl made a mistake. One that's made everyday by teens. Sarah should never have put the other family in front of the press dogs. Yes she is unqualified but saying that's all that should be discussed is naive. The teen dad and his family are NOT running for office and it's my hope that they already have switched from the McCain/Palin ticket to Obama/Biden. Then again who can be sure they needed to switch. eom/Nolie
  • I managed to not have a child as a teenager or out of wedlock, but I know a few who did and guess what? They're Mother's were not to blame! They were raised fine but they made a mistake as many people do. How great it is that you can judge this woman. Teenage pregnancy is something that crosses all lines. The children of Democrats wind up as pregnant teenagers just like the children of Republicans and I'm sure that no parent is happy to hear that news, rich, poor, black, white, republican or democrat. I don't know why you're insisting that this woman's house isn't in order or that she's a bad mother. Having a pregnant teenager makes you neither. I really hope that no one in your close circle of friends or family ever has this issue.
  • Nolie, is it documented somewhere that she never told the father of her future grandchild or his family that she was doing this? Is her daughter not together with this boy anymore? I think you're assuming a lot. And as I said in a post below, do we know that Sara Palin and her husband knew of this pregnancy until recently? Did the girl tell her family as soon as she found out? Questions to think about.
  • Robyn to add to your well said comment, I am sure lots of teens white, black, rich, poor, democrat, republican, Independent are having sex, but have dodged the bullet and have not become pregnant. It's not the mother/father's fault in most cases, it is the gambling hormones of young teens. - Jamie

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    Posted by: Regina
    Date posted: Tue Sep 2 1:24:17 2008
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    I just feel sorry for the young father and his family.  I don't think Sarah asked their permission to send the media vultures after them.  Then again, you skrew with the daughter of the governor you best be prepared for what could happen.

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  • If the boyfriend was 18 at the time, he may also be in for some legal trouble. Depending on state law, that would be statutory rape. -Miss H

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    Posted by: Jamie
    Date posted: Mon Sep 1 21:59:43 2008
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    Bravo to Obama for taking the high road.  I wish more of his followers would practice what he preaches.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/obama.palin/?iref=mpstoryview

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  • Funny because you know if it was the other way around Republicans would be shouting it in the streets they have in the past. I think this whole situation points to Palin's and McCain's judgement so it should be brought to the forefront .Maybe her Mom should've taken all that into consideration before throwing her family in the spotlight.. Yes Obama does take the high road part of the reason we are for him. /PJ
  • Jamie, I was impressed with Obama's reaction too. Very classy. -Miss H
  • My mom and I were just commenting on Obama's reaction. We liked it. I'm actually starting to like Obama. I never cared for McCain. Even some of my family members who are republican are going for Obama.

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    Posted by: X
    Date posted: Mon Sep 1 21:19:36 2008
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    You people are making it seem as if Palin's daughter is the only one around having a baby at 16 or 17.  What about all the other mothers who are SAHM or career women whose daughters get pregnant before marriage?  Are they failures, too?  Get a grip, the girl had sex, got pregnant and will have the baby.  That does not affect her mom's ability to run for office or perform the duties of the office.  Few of you liked her before this, now it's just vultures feeding on the prey.

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  • Are all their mothers campaigning to be Leader of the Free World at a moment's notice and embarking on a grueling schedule of campaign events in a hotly contested national election? No? Okay then. Not the same thing -- by a longshot. ~i&b
  • You are still a vulture.
  • Well, aren't you glad now you didn't sign your regular name? Now you don't have to be embarrassed by such a childish response. ~i&b
  • The bottom line is that no one outside of Alaska would have known about Bristol's teeange pregnancy if her mother had not accepted the VP offer. It was bound to come out and just makes people think that McCain never vetted her in the first place. SlapBrooke
  • Exactly SlapBrooke, she brought this on herself. As a mom I find it utterly disgraceful that she would drag her own child through this THAT alone doesn't say much for her character at least to me/PJ
  • PJ, what about Obama's children? Is it fair to put them on display at the age they are? Is it fair for any politician wiith kids to put them out there for public consumption? Chelsea Clinton was horribly abused in the press during her Dad's tenure in office but her Mom and Dad had major ambitions so they did what they wanted to do, not necessarily what was best for her.
  • Obama's kids aren't in desperate need of special attention. Chelsea Clinton, same thing.
  • No they aren't all the same. Obama hasn't hit us over the head with the Family Values stance like the Rep have. I think Obama will do just as Clinton and Kennedy and keep his children OUT of the spotlight besides the age difference alone make the 2 cases not at all ALIKE/PJ
  • Exactly. Obama has made it clear he is keeping his children out of the spotlight. His children are off limits. He wants them to have a normal life.
  • My point is, all politicians bring this type of scrutiny on themselves and their family. Chelsea wasn't immune, Obama's kids aren't immune, no child of a politician is immune. Have any of you thought that maybe this kid didn't bother to tell Mom and Dad about her pregnancy until recently? It's easy to hide for a while. None of you know the circumstances surrounding this but you're perfectly comfortable attacking and being less than charitable.
  • Why should I be chariable to a Party that over the last 8 years has more or less told me I hate my country, I might as well be a terrorist since I didn't support their war. NOW I am supposed to overlook all that because the shoe is on the other foot. Sorry my CHARITABLE side is all spent. I think as a MOM Sarah Palin's actions have been disagraceful to her family. SHE did this nobody else./PJ
  • I'll bet she withdraws. She's got too much to deal with. I think it will be a loooong time before we get another republican. Bush has embarrassed our country for 8 years.
  • I think she'll withdraw too. PJ, I don't understand where you've been told that you hate your country. I'm speaking to you as a deomocrat who did not support the war either and I don't get that feeling.
  • I certainly remember it. That was the talk out of the right wing for a good 3+ years starting on 9/11 and until about 6 months after the 2004 election, which was when people FINALLY began to wake up and realize Bush and the war were a crock. If you weren't for the war and behind that dumbass 100%, you were unpatriotic and didn't deserve to live in America. The right wing mouthpieces were not at all shy about saying it. Anyone who wasn't waving the flag was a terrorist sympathizer. It was McCarthyism all over again. ~i&b

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    Posted by: Peace
    Date posted: Mon Sep 1 20:39:40 2008
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    A friend just sent me this article.  I have no idea if this is factual or just gossip, but  it is enlightening about Sarah Palin if she did fly from Texas to Alaska after she started labor.  Also not notifying the airline that she was pregnant.  Also, taking such a chance with what she knew was going to be a Down Syndrome baby.  They are sometimes born with problems that need to be addressed immediately.  If this is in fact what she did, delaying going to a hospital for many hours, I certainly would never trust her judgement.

    I have seen that picture of her daughter taken in late 2007 and at the time I saw it I thought that she had quite a little tummy for a teen-ager. 

    I now really don't know what to think.... and maybe that is why I just don't feel good about this woman.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223

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  • It occurred to me her actions of the late announcement of her pregnancy, even keeping it from her staff who she was with everyday and her actions on that last day, make me think of girls I knew in high school and college, before abortion was legal. First, she knew she was in an at-risk pregnancy, yet she's on youtube joking about running-up hill yet (at 7.5 months) until it felt like her guts were falling out and her thighs ached. Could it be she was opposed to abortion but quietly hoping for a miscarriage or when her water broke, waiting and boarding a plane (air pressure) and driving away from Anchorage (stillbirth?). Like I said, back in the day, many girls did all sorts of things. One I know got her PE assignment changed from archery to trampoline and yeah, she did miscarry. Midge
  • That is WAY too much speculation for me. ~i&b

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    Posted by: Sierra
    Date posted: Mon Sep 1 19:13:14 2008
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    I think it is really too bad for this kid to be tied down so young and to have to be exposed to this kind of public scrutiny.  I also think it is a huge mistake to be getting married at 17.  I hope they really want to.  

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    Posted by: Fed Up
    Date posted: Mon Sep 1 18:09:52 2008
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    You know what I'm thinking based on my response in the above topic.

    How can someone who is a failure of a mother be successful elsewhere? It would be a big mistake if the daughter and her sperm donor get married. This is a case of a human being born into a bad situation.

    Concerning the GOP candidates: ''Birds of a feather flock together''.

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  • Why would you say she's a failure of a mother? Bonnie
  • FedUp/ I don't think Palin is a failure as a mother because her daughter became pregnant at 17, but I do think she is a failure when she puts her own desires ahead of her daughter's needs. I think Palin is a very ambitious person and I suspect her ambitions come first and foremost.. Otherwise she would have stayed in Alaska and allowed her daughter to have her baby quietly. I am sure there would have been some gossip there, but nothing like what is going to happen now./Peace
  • Peace. ITA. Fed Up
  • As a mom I take that comment to be very offensive. You have no idea what it is like to raise a child. It is sad that you think that life is so easy but perhaps one day you find out what it really is about. Just because this young woman got pregnant doesn't make her mother a failure. I doesn't even make her one. izi
  • Peace, I can see your point but what if her family is totally supportive of her going for the Vice Presidency? What if they encouraged her? What if they want it as bad as she does.? Lets not forget if McCain gets elected she makes history. izi
  • Peace, ITA. Izi, then their priorities are as screwed up as hers. Life is not always about wants, it's usually more about needs. And dragging a pregnant teenager across the nation's headlines while undertaking a grueling campaign for a job you're not even qualified for is hardly what that child needs. ~i&b
  • izi. I am a mother of a son who is a college graduate, a successful business owner, a considerate person, never tells a lie, is smart, quick witted, thinks before he acts and is considerate of others. He often attributes me for teaching him his good qualities. I was lucky to be a stay-at-home mother. I'm proud to take the credit for raising a good son who has turned out to be a loving responsible adult. He's my most honored accomplishment. Fed Up
  • Fed up! I can't believe you said that, really. Having a pregnant teen does not make you a failure of a mother. I was a pregnant teen and in NO way was that my mother's fault, it was all MINE. And I did marry the father of my child. -- on the otherhand though, I do agree that this woman's priorities are messed up. In my opinion, a person with ''good family values'' would not be putting their pregnant teen in the spotlight like that. She needs to focus on her family and NOT on the rest of the nation. /Gma b@s
  • Grandma B@ts, my sister was also an unmarried teenage mother. My mom was very supportive to her, taking care of the baby while my sister finished her education. I'm proud of both of them! I do agree with you that Ms. Palin's priorities are messed up. -Miss H
  • Oh come on now. I think Sarah Palin is a horrible choice and I would in no way vote for her, but how is she a failure as a mother? This happens to good families all the time. Sex is a just a natural urge and always has been and always will be. You cannot be there for kids 24/7. I just feel for this poor teenage girl, whose face is being plastered all over the news and internet. I wish everyone would drop it. eom Sierra
  • Fed Up, I could start listing the things that make me proud of my son, and just keep going. He is our finest accomplishment. He's a wonderful person, he's successful in his career, he is a wonderful father. He and his wife are generous and charitable. They live debt free except for their mortgage. Do I take credit for the way he turned out?n Of course I do, but I also realize how easily it could have gone another way. Unless you put your kids under house arrest, you're not with them 24/7. Just a different choice here or there, and everything could be different. I will NOT argue politics with you or with anyone else on this board. I will argue, that having a pregnant teenage daughter DOES NOT make you a failure as a mother. I will certainly argue that her decision to have a child with Down's Syndrome was either selfish or irresponsible.- abra
  • *Obviously, that was supposed to say NEITHER not EITHER. - abra

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    Posted by: Kelly Oh!!
    Date posted: Mon Sep 1 17:57:21 2008
    Message:

    Well, that's interesting.  So much for 'abstinence only' education, huh?  And did Palin REALLY think that this wouldn't come out immediately - especially with the hurricane cancelling a lot of the Repub convention/slow news day? 

    I feel for that kid - now the whole world knows what could have been a private family matter.  But when Ma is the VP nominee, things have a way of becoming public.  I hope she WANTS to marry this young man.  Seriously. 

    I, too, am not buying that McCain knew.  What else would they say? 

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  • I would think almost every American is for abstinence when it comes to our young children regardless of political affiliation. - Jamie
  • Jamie, ''abstinence'' and ''abstinence only'' are NOT the same thing. Abstinence is a part of any decent sex ed program. Abstinence only is a head-in-the-sand approach that ignores the reality of teenage behavior. Instead of preaching abstinence only and cutting off funding for regular sex ed programs, parents should allow their children to be educated on such fundamental issues as birth control. As a parent, your job is not to shield your child from every possible thing in life, it's to give them the tools to deal while also trying to instill values and judgment. ~i&b
  • Come on, Jamie. What I said was plain as day. The fact of the matter is that abstinence ONLY education does not work. It's head in the sand mentality to assume if you tell kids not to have sex that they won't. I totally support abstinence taught as a PART of an overall sound sex education, since that's the 100% guaranteed way to avoid an unwanted pregnancy, as well as avoid STDs. But to limit sex (or lack of sex) ed to ONLY abstinence, it assumes that what kids won't know won't hurt them. Obviously that's not the case. INFORMATION does not harm our kids, LACK of information does. Sex is not dirty, it's a natural part of life. Kids need to know that, as well as its consequences. eom Kelly Oh!!
  • I am for EDUCATING young people on sex. You know I was a teen once and managed NOT to get pregnant because of my PARENTS talking about sex. Teens are going to have sex regardless better to inform them of what can actually happen to them. Proven fact sex today not only can result in a pregnancy it can KILL/PJ

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    Posted by: Princess January
    Date posted: Mon Sep 1 17:20:40 2008
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     the only thing that would make this better is if the Father turned out to be a cousin AHHhahahaha.  

      What a PICK McCain,  a real winner.

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  • Sorry but I don't feel sorry for any of them. I am too worried about my country and the more the Republicans do to shoot themselves in the foot, I'm all for it. So in Bush's words BRING IT ON!!! /PJ
  • Well, I do. I feel sorry for that girl in having her personal situation splashed all over the world's headlines. This has to be completely humiliating for her. ~i&b

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    Posted by: Shea
    Date posted: Mon Sep 1 17:01:35 2008
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    I feel very badly that this child has to have this news dragged into the national spotlight.  Poor kid. 

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  • It is not just this poor girl who is being dragged through a terrible ordeal, there is also a boy out there who is going to be tracked down by reporters and have his life torn apart. This is such a no-win scenario for these young people./Peace
  • ITA. What should have been a quiet personal matter for both families has now been put front and center on the world stage thanks to SP putting her ambition ahead of her family. ~i&b

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    Posted by: Visitor
    Date posted: Mon Sep 1 16:57:01 2008
    Message:
    You people are pathetic. It appears you are really afraid that your ultra-liberal candidate can't, in the words of Hillary Clinton, ''get the job done.''

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  • know what's more pathetic hiding behind a anon. Can YOU say President Obama? I know it's hard buit get used to it./PJ
  • Visitor, what's pathetic is your attempt to deflect the discussion away from the... okay, I'll say it, pathetic lack of qualifications and poor judgment of Sarah Palin. ~i&b
  • Ha, Ha Ha! Just keep squirming. It's fun to watch. Barak Hussain Obam, right.. Eventually you will reap what you sow. Unfortunately if that happens the rest of us will suffer, too. In the meantime I am enjoying your discomfort.
  • What discomfort would that be? Seems to be it's the Republicans doing all the squirming. Or have you not noticed they've now spent 4 solid days doing NOTHING but defending woman's qualifications and judgment? Nice try. ~i&b

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    Posted by: ingyandbert
    Date posted: Mon Sep 1 14:42:33 2008
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    A special needs baby and a pregnant teenager, that's two children that are going to need everything their parents can give them.  But instead, the Palins are focused on getting the Mizzus elected to an office she has no business running for to begin with.  And in the process they're not only placing the family under the public microscope but their doing it at the worst possible time for the eldest daughter. 

    Talk about screwed up priorities.

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  • I do agree with you. Like I said below, I'm assuming the Palin family had a talk before she accepted the offer. What I don't understand is their reasoning to say yes. This decision of theirs doesn't seem rational . I'm not saying a working mom can't handle the position of VP, I'm just wondering what kind of woman would ask such demands on a family that has so many needs. izi
  • As I've said elsewhere, it would have been totally appropriate for a man or a woman in this situation to say *Thanks, but no thanks.* // Shea
  • A part of me doesn't want to bash a woman that is going for the gold. Another part makes me question how she can do it all. Especially the ''all'' is being VP of the US. None of this should play into the political race. The Kennedys have had their personal issues, Geraldine Farra had to deal with scrutiny of her husbands activities. this is simply a family dealing with personal issues. Whether people choose to use this as a way to slander her or her credibility is a whole other issue. izi
  • Let me just add that I am for Obama but I hate reading what some of the women hear are posting. izi
  • I disagree izi The Mom by throwing her hat into the ring made it a PUBLIC issue. This is a party that has tried to cram FAMILY VALUES down our throats, they have to nerve to preach to me about that issue I say save your breath until you get your own house in order./PJ
  • *here* izi
  • Shea, I agree. She could have said no. Not because she may or not be able to do her job based on her family issues but because IMO these issues should be her priority. But obviously this woman doesn't share my values. But that doesn't mean she isn't a good mother. Good mother=good woman? Not a good VP? Sexual innuendo that a woman couldn't do the job because she is a mom of 5, one with special needs and now has a young daughter that is pregnant. What if it was a father that was in the same situation? BTW tomorrow I go back to work so I probably won't have time to respond so please don't think I've ignored any of your replies. izi
  • izi, regardless of what gender the parent is the facts of what this family is currently facing still remain as well as the utter lack of qualifications of the candidate to begin with. It just shows an appalling lack of judgment and even more so for a mother considering that the father cannot possibly speak to the daughter on certain aspects of the pregnancy, having never been pregnant himself. In a situation like this, a young girl would naturally turn to her mother to discuss those intimate details, not her father. But regardless of who the candidate is, given all the facts of this situation it's just appalling that anyone would put their family through this the way SP has. ~i&b
  • PJ, are you saying that Dems don't have moral values? You keep throwing that up (literally ad nauseum) about the Reps being hypocrites, but it looks like there is enough sin and shame to go around both parties.- X

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    Posted by: further
    Date posted: Mon Sep 1 14:21:51 2008
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    Oh no, I think this is a feather in her cap. It seems to me that with some of these ultra die hard conservatives, the abortion issue is the all mighty issue. WW3 could break out, millions could be dying in the street while the president is out hunting and he'd still be considered Jesus if he's a pro lifer. I think her daughters decision to keep the baby will be greatly admired.

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  • You're right. The ultra-pro-lifers will love this. But to everyone else, won't this make them question why Sarah Palin would take on a national VP campaign at a time like this? Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but it sure looks to me like her family needs her right now. -Miss H
  • My heart goes out to the daughter, especially for having parents who clearly put the mother's political ambition ahead of the children's needs. ~i&b
  • Exactly. Her pregnant teenage daughter, as well as her newborn, need her right now. I feel that most conservatives would agree. My husband thinks she will decline the nomination at this point. Bonnie
  • bonnie, I doubt if she will withdraw, unless forced to do so by the party. She wants all she can get and obviously to h-11 with her family. I feel so sorry for this teenager, to be dragged through this./Peace
  • Peace, you may be right. Either way, if the Republicans want their man to win, she's gotta get out. Bonnie
  • I heard on either CNN or MSNBC that the daughter plans to marry the father of the baby. MM
  • I agree the fact that the daugher is having the baby will have the ultra-conservatives jumping for joy, but for McCain it will still hurt the 'family values' stance and Palin also takes away his 'Barack is inexperienced' issue. eom Sierra
  • Sierra, however you are comparing a president's role with the role of a vice president. - Jamie
  • Jamie, the issue of SP's experience is just as relevant as the discussion of Obama's experience. Obviously, a VP has to be prepared to become President at any moment starting on Inauguration Day. You can't say, ''Well, she's only running for VP.'' It doesn't work that way. A quarter of our country's Presidents came into power as VPs whose Presidents died in office (or in Nixon's case, resigned) . It's not an uncommon phenomena by any means. ~i&b
  • William Henry Harrison caught Pneumonia on Inauguration Day and died that April. I'll bet John Tyler did not expect that. SlapBrooke
  • Jaime, why do some people keep persisting in the VP vs Pres issue? The VP can become President at a drop of a hat, so his/her experience is VERY important. I am sure no one ever envisioned a young and vigorous JFK as dying in office, but he did. The VP choice is extremely important and this woman remains a poor choice. eom Sierra
  • I bet WHH didn't expect that either (sorry couldn't resist SB). Excellent response Sierra.
  • To clarify Sierra said that Palin is taking away from Obama's inexperience issues. That's what I was commenting on. What is the lesser of two evils? - Jamie

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    Posted by: Miss Harold
    Date posted: Mon Sep 1 14:12:45 2008
    Message:
    Wow, the poor kid. Imagine being thrust into the national spotlight when you're going through something like that. It makes me wonder what the heck her mother was thinking by accepting the VP slot. It seems like her family has enough to deal with right now. I seriously doubt that the McCain camp knew about this ahead of time.

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  • The word on the news is that McCain knew. This is just too much baggage thrown onto an already controversial decision on McCain's part. Bonnie
  • Miss Harold, I do feel bad that this young woman had to make her situation public. I'm going to assume that the Palin family discussed how to handle this when Sarah Palin decided to accept the offer of VP. izi
  • I don't believe for a second that McCain knew ahead of time. Of course they are going to say that now. -Miss H
  • Either way, McCain and Palin both come off looking like idiots. ~i&b
  • I wonder how the GOP will try to douse this fire. The truth is they can't. Good Lord, of all the people McCain could have chosen, he had to choose Miss Alaska Beauty Queen, with her growing brood in tow? Where would they live? In a trailer home next to the White House? Sorry, I couldn't resist. Bonnie

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