All My Children Discussion Group

Topic: McCain/Keating Economics

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A preview is now available at the above address.  It seems that Obama is fighting back against the Swiftboat tactics.

Poor desperate McCain supporters. Your guy is hopeful something besides the dismal economy will light a fire since he's lost the rational moderates who supported him in 2000 with his histrionics and goofy VP pick.

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If Obama has to worry about Rev. Wright then shouldn't Palin have to worry about the Rev. who prayed over her to protect her from

If Obama has to worry about Rev. Wright then doesn't Palin have to worry about the Rev. who prayed over her because of 'witchcraft'? (dham quotation marks! LOL)

Uh, no. The Palin thing was flaky, but Wright is anti-American. Do you really think a presidential candidate should associate with someone like that? Ever?

Do YOU really think McCain's crimes aren't something he and the American public should take more serious??

Hey, I think both of these guys are idiots and I simply can't get behind either one as my President. McCain's judgement is seriously in question after picking Palin as his running mate. But Obama's judgement is just as questionable after spending years in the company of a subversive lunatic like Wright. The guy is anti-american and Obama should be ashamed of himself for not coming out IMMEDIATELY and condemning what Wright is all about. If this is who this guy associates with, I don't want him in the White House. You simply can't say that it doesn't matter. Listen, if McCain was the one with Wright as his pastor, everyone on this board would be calling for his head. I'm consistantly amazed that so many of you regard Obama as the savior of the universe. This guy shows me nothing. He has all these grandiose plans, but can't seem to articulate how he's going to get them done. It's a sad state of affairs in this country when the best people either party could nominate are McCain and Obama. I'm not looking forward to the next four years regardless of who is elected.

I'm a luker too, and I have never seen anyone here describe Barack Obama as the ''savior of the universe.'' Where did that idea come from? What have they said? I only see them supporting him, just as those who support McCain. Does supporting him mean they think he's a savior? Are you the same one that used to be for Hillary? / Lurkertoo

I most certainly didn't support Hillary. And where do I get that people on this board regard Obama as the savior of the universe? Read any post about the guy here. There is absolute blind adoration for him. I don't get it. He has done nothing to show that he can get anything done at all (except write a couple of books) and yet everyone here (or almost everyone) thinks he's the answer to all the problems. As for McCain supporters here, where are they? There's no point in supporting him on this board. I've lurked long enough to see those folks run off here. And I love how when you ask a question about Obama here, you're asked a question about McCain. No one answers.

As I've said before in other posts addressed to you under other names, you have clearly made up your mind that you can't stand us or Obama. You aren't crazy about McCain, but your dislike for Barack and us trumps all of that. We get that. You have seen numerous links, passages, videos, and defenses of Barack Obama (who we do not see as Christ or a savior or anything more than clearly the best chance to lead us out of this morass of a swamp into which the Republicans have led us) whenever he and his positions have been attacked. OTOH, I have yet to read one McCain supporter do more than bitterly attack Obama without saying anything positive about their candidate. Perhaps it is time for you to do some soul searching and make a decision to either vote for McCain or not vote, but stop laying you inability to choose at our feet. //Shea

Well, Shea, I've never posted under any other name and are you really that naive to think there's only one undecided person here? I've been lurking for a little over 3 years as a true lurker. I have nothing against all of you, but as I said, I don't understand what you see in Obama and no one here has been able to say what it is about him that is making you not only vote for him, but believe everything he says. And please point me in the direction of all the ''numerous links, passages, videos, and defenses of Barack Obama''. All I ever see here are links, videos, articles, passages and slams against McCain and Palin. I get that you don't want another 4 years of Republicans and frankly, I don't blame you. But I truly feel that people here are blindly supporting Obama just because he isn't a Republican. Obama has made a lot of promises, but not a word has been said of how he will fulfill them. I don't need to search my soul. Idecided months ago that I couldn't support either candidate and I refuse to throw my vote to someone in the hopes that it will keep the other candiate out of office. Maybe someday, in my lifetime, the Dems and Repubs will put forth a couple of people of substance and a real choice will have to be made. Until then, I just can't support what's out there. I truly believe there are better men and women out there who could make a world of difference. I just think they're too smart to run for President.

There was an entire TOPIC devoted to why we prefer Obama without a word spoken about McCain. I'm not going to go searching for all the other stuff that has been posted. It is not that I think you are the *only* undecided voter. It is rather that the specific phrases used are so eerily similar from post to post. It is your *voice.* If I am that far off the mark, mea culpa. // Shea

Sorry babe. You're that far off the mark.

I prefer not being called *babe* by supposedly anonymous lurkers.

Or anyone to whom I'm not married for that matter.

And I prefer people to not assume or accuse me of being another poster. So I guess we're even.

A Lurker--Don't forget- McCain/Rev. Hagee. If you are going to talk about Rev. Wright for Obama, you have to talk about Rev. Hagee for McCain. Only fair since that guy is pretty much like Wright. eom

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Posted by: Shea
Date posted: Mon Oct 6 12:54:32 2008
Message:
Thanks, Peace.  I was on my way over to say the same thing.  If McCain wants to bring up past associations, then bring them up we shall.  I think being censured by Congress for one of the biggest savings and loan scandals in our history trumps serving on a committee with some guy who did some bad things back when Obama was 8.  Don't you? 

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I'm with ya (er that's too Palin) I'm with YOU. Obama was 8 and is hardly REACHING now (for those who think he is). Wonder if they know how old McCain was when involved with the Keating gang!! eom/WE

I think there are those for whom: (a) the whole Keating thing is news, and/or (b) will wait and see what Fox tells them to think about it. However, There is no comparison. It is NOT reaching to simply point out the facts. The facts are that John McCain was reprimanded for his involvement in this fraud that looks quite a bit like an early version of what's been going on these past few weeks on Wall Street. // Shea

Obama was a grown man when he hung with Ayers, and was aware of who he was and what he stood for. DxB

That's bull. I think you need to read more and what about McCain. Do you lean away because he's your guy? Sure you do. BULL!

Apparently, Ayers is doing some good things for disadvantaged communities in Chicago, and Obama served on a committee with him once. Ayers also held a fund raising event when Obama first ran for state rep. These are the only two associations that anyone can point towards as proof they are *palling around,* which isn't much or very personal. Obama has always said he finds Ayers actions back in the 60s reprehensible. That's no secret either. This was brought up a while ago and got not much of a response from the public, but I suppose when you are behind nearly 10% in the polls you throw up whatever you feel might stick to anything. OTOH, McCain's associations with Keating were well documented and videotaped. He had to publicly apologize. He was reprimanded by Congress. People lost a lot of money. This is getting repetitive. Obviously, you need to believe what gets you through the night. // Shea

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Posted by: DixuhsBaybuh
Date posted: Mon Oct 6 12:25:37 2008
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Obama is trying to cover up the reality of his past associations that are going to have light shed on them. He's reaching.

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